Trinity UFO Crash Hoax – 'Witness' Credibility Implodes

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TWO STORYTELLERS DECEIVE AN ICON OF UFOLOGY

In their years of promoting the story of a 1945 alien-craft crash and recovery, Jacques Vallee, Ph.D., and Paola Leopizzi Harris constructed a towering skyscraper of speculation on a thin foundation made of chalk. The foundation has disintegrated, yet

By Douglas Dean Johnson 1-25-24

Vallee and Harris continue to engage in tortured exertions, seeking to avoid acknowledging the reality that their skyscraper has collapsed.

In June 2021, Vallee and Harris self-published a co-authored book, Trinity: The Best-Kept Secret, reciting a story of the crash and recovery of an alien craft. The event supposedly occurred a month after and not many miles away from the site of the first atomic-bomb test, the Trinity test of July 16, 1945. [1] An expanded Second Edition followed in August 2022. Vallee hired a publicist to promote the book and the story. By January 2023, the Trinity-crash story had been featured by media outlets as diverse as the New York Times, Tucker Carlson Tonight on the Fox News Network, and the Daily Mail in the UK, and on innumerable UFO-oriented websites and podcasts. [2]

The "Trinity" crash tale was originally based solely on the claims of two men who were both over age 60 when they first told the story in 2003 – Remigio (Reme) Baca (born October 26, 1938; died June 12, 2013) and Joseph Lopez (Jose) Padilla (born November 24, 1936, currently age 87). [3] Beginning in 2003, both men made public claims to have witnessed the crash, associated alien beings, and the subsequent recovery of the damaged alien craft by Army personnel, all of this ostensibly occurring during August 1945.

The far-reaching implications of the Trinity crash-recovery story, were it true, are the only reason why it is worth my time, or anyone's time, to further scrutinize the credibility of the witnesses, including the still-living Joseph Lopez Padilla. Padilla is now an 87-year-old man of whom few people would ever have heard, were it not for years of public promotion of his UFO crash tale by Vallee and co-author Harris, with Padilla's active cooperation. If the Padilla-Baca story is true, then the U.S. government has concealed custody of a crashed alien craft since August 1945, a span of more than 78 years – a very big deal indeed. [4]

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Trinity UFO Crash Hoax: "My Dad Is A Pathological Liar," Says Witness' Son

'On July 23, 2022-- many months before I published a word about the Trinity UFO-crash story or even thought about doing so-- Sammy Padilla told a New Mexico State Police officer that "my dad is a pathological liar," and expressed the belief that the Trinity UFO story was untrue.'

Sammy Padilla, now age 61, is the son of Joseph Lopez (Jose) Padilla, age 86. The two men share a single dwelling place in La Joya, New Mexico. In recent months, Jacques Vallee and Paola Harris have pointed to Jose Padilla as their primary and most trustworthy witness to the Trinity UFO crash of 1945

By Douglas D. Johnson Mirador 9-29-2023

(which I believe to be a non-existent event, a sloppy hoax). The other claimed 1945 eyewitness, Remigio (Reme) Baca, died in 2013.

Sammy Padilla's statements to the New Mexico State Police (NMSP) were recorded in video and audio by the body cam of a NMSP officer who was dispatched in response to a request from Sammy Padilla, who wished to discuss certain alleged behavior by his father Jose, and who also seemed to have some things he wanted to get off his chest about the UFO story.

Sammy Padilla told the NMSP officer, "My dad claims he saw a UFO when he was small. Well, there's these people from Europe. There's a woman especially named Paola Harris, and she has gotten him to back things up. And now they wrote a book about it, and now she's writing a life story about him, and it's going to be made into a movie, supposedly, and all this stuff. A lot of people knew it was bullshit what he's saying."

In an audio-recorded conversation with the NMSP dispatcher earlier the same day, Sammy Padilla said, "There's some people that my dad got involved with, because he claimed to see a UFO. And now this woman– it's not my cousin, but this other woman, who is writing a book about him, and telling him that this book is going to become a movie, and he's going to be famous. And so he's going on this stuff. And I can tell you, from what I have heard from what he has told other people, they're not true."

Additional statements by Sammy Padilla pertaining to certain public claims by Jose Padilla are found in transcripts below, and in the body-cam recording.

New Mexico law requires law enforcement officers to activate their body-cams during such interactions with members of the public. Such recordings (with certain redactions specified by law) are public records under the Inspection of Public Records Act (IPRA), which is a state law that is in some ways similar to the federal Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), but with fewer exclusions and exceptions. In New Mexico, many interactions between law enforcement officers and members of the general public are accessible to anyone who submits a properly formulated request, which is what I did. I received the body-cam recording on May 24, 2023, along with an audio recording of an earlier conversation between Sammy Padilla and a NMSP dispatcher, and also a written report ("Event Information") summarizing some of that day's communications between Sammy Padilla and the agency personnel. All of these records were generated by interactions between Sammy Padilla and NMSP personnel on July 23, 2022.

The Event Information report attributes to Sammy Padilla the additional statement that his father "is a very good liar."

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Trinity UFO Crash Hoax: Ryan Wood After Reviewing Evidence, Reverses Course

Wood also said, "You, Doug, have done a much richer and more masterful job of investigating this story and pulling out the inconsistencies and finding all sorts of good primary sources to compare and contrast."

Ryan S. Wood, whose 2005 book Majic Eyes Only was the first book to describe the Trinity UFO Crash story, and who at that time rated the story as "medium-high...60-80%" on his credibility scale, now believes that the widely disseminated story was "most likely" a hoax.

By Douglas Dean Johnson 6-1-2023

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Trinity UFO Crash Hoax – (Another) Smoking Gun

"... the "eyewitness" account that Reme Baca presented to Thomas J. Carey—who audio-recorded it—was very different from the UFO-crash story that Baca and Padilla presented to the public less than one year later. "

Less than a year before going public with what became the Jacques Vallee-Paola Harris story of the 1945 crash of an avocado-shaped UFO, Reme Baca was tape-recorded peddling a very different story about a boyhood encounter that he and

By Douglas Dean Johnson 5-21-2023

Jose Padilla had with a very different sort of UFO: a tale of their discovery of a classical flying saucer, crashed-- in 1946. And that's just the start.

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The Trinity UFO Crash Hoax

"The current elaborate version of the Trinity UFO crash tale has been constructed in layers over the past 20 years. The story has been entertained by some in the mainstream media and by some in the halls of Congress. In the dismantling of this hoax, the devil is indeed in the details."

The astonishing story of the “Trinity UFO crash” -- an alien craft crashing in August 1945 near the site of the first atomic test, witnessed by two boys, carted off by the Army and hidden ever since-- has been presented to a wide audience in two editions of the book Trinity: The Best-Kept Secret, by Jacques Vallee and Paola L. Harris (in June 2021 and August 2022), and

By Douglas Dean Johnson douglasjohnson.ghost.io 5-1-23

through promotional efforts spun off the book. In late 2022 and early 2023, the story reached a substantially expanded audience through amplifying treatments by Fox News Network host Tucker Carlson, writers Josh Boswell and Christopher Sharp of the UK Daily Mail, the hosts of various UFO-themed podcasts and platforms– and even a respectful spin-off feature story in the New York Times, written by Remy Tumin.

through promotional efforts spun off the book. In late 2022 and early 2023, the story reached a substantially expanded audience through amplifying treatments by Fox News Network host Tucker Carlson, writers Josh Boswell and Christopher Sharp of the UK Daily Mail, the hosts of various UFO-themed podcasts and platforms– and even a respectful spin-off feature story in the New York Times, written by Remy Tumin.

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UFO Whistleblowers, Crash Debris and Congress

"Senior members of Congress have spoken to as many as six whistleblowers who claim they worked on Roswell-style UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs, according to a top attorney, a leading Stanford scientist, and ex-UFO program officials."

For decades it has been the subject of spooky TV shows and sci-fi novels: the theory that the government has alien spacecraft in a bunker somewhere, and has been trying to disassemble and understand their technology.

By Josh Boswell Daily.com 4-26-23

But things got a lot more real after Congress passed a law last year creating whistleblower protections for anyone who has worked in such mind-boggling secret programs – suggesting they may be more than just fiction.

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Did UFO Crash in Valley in '47?

Selman Graves says he saw "a large aluminum dome-shaped thing" after it landed on the hill in the background. The house (top) is where the aliens were kept frozen for a while, he says.

Fat clouds drag saucer-shaped shadows over the desert and an old ranch house in Cave Creek obscured by mesquite and paloverde trees. Inside, 73-year-old Selman Graves looks around a small, dank

By Thomas Ropp The Arizona Republic 6-26-1997

basement filled with horse tack hanging from rafters like strips of meat. As his eyes adjust, he finds what he's looking for, the bare spot near the door where Walt Sayer used to keep his freezer.

Even though fifty years have passed, Graves cannot forget the freezer or the two humanoids that may have been inside.

It's been a half-century since the "Incident" at Roswell, N.M., as well, what UFO believers point to as the most infamous crash of an unidentified flying object and government cover-up. But Arizona, the center of national attention recently over a UFO flap in March, may have had its own Roswell, three months after the New Mexico Incident.

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Mystery of 'UFO' That Crash Landed Dubbed the 'Welsh Roswell'

local search and rescue teams scrambled to the site ... no evidence of any wreckage was ever found.

It was a cold, dark January night in 1974 when the ground shook and bright lights appeared in the sky above the Berwyn Mountains. Dubbed 'the Welsh Roswell', after the notorious site in New

By Nathan Bevan www.walesonline.co.uk 1-25-22

Mexico where an alien craft allegedly crash landed in the 1940s, the incident has remained shrouded in mystery ever since.

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Flying Saucers: 'Dr Gee' Examined The Saucers and Found Small Bodies

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... in 1948, Scully recounts, when the first of the craft landed on a rocky plateau east of Aztec, New Mexic "Dr. Gee and seven of his group of magnetic scientists were called in to examine this strange ship," Scully wrote. After forcing their way into the "saucers," the scientists found the little men inside.

By Cincinnati Enquirer 9-8-1950

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UFO Secrecy Has Changed Our World

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... Marilyn Monroe was murdered by government people, in 1962 at the age of 36, because in her dalliances with President John Kennedy, she became privy to classified information about UFO crash retrievals.

By Donald Burleson www.rdrnews.com 7-6-20

A now famous CIA document, issued just the day before she died, states that one secret she unfortunately knew about had to do with “the visit by the president at a secret air base for the purpose of inspecting things from outer space.” (I’m quoting exactly.) When I filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the wiretap transcripts of Marilyn’s telephone conversations, the CIA declined to admit having them, and I filed an appeal based on the CIA document mentioned. They accepted the appeal, thus inadvertently authenticating the document for me, and for all of us. They wouldn’t accept an appeal based on a purported CIA document that they didn’t recognize as being legitimately their own.

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Senate Staffer, Dick D'Amato's Statement On UFO Crashes in New Mexico

Recently, I discovered Dick D’Amato’s current official position on UFO Crashes. He was a senior US Senate staffer, who met numerous UFO researcher on the matter back in 1990s. According to archive.org, the statement is present on his official website at least from 2013. It reads in full:

By Giuliano Marinkovic omnitalkradio 5-26-20

1980'S INQUIRY INTO UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL CRASH IN NEW MEXICO

“In the 1980's and 1990's, I served on the staff of the Senate Democratic Leader, Senator Robert C. Byrd, and my responsibilities involved helping manage the budgets of the Department of Defense and the National Foreign Intelligence Program. My duties included responding to a Senators and committees request for information, analysis, and legislation on a variety of national security issues. In this context, a senior Senate Committee chairman asked me to conduct a preliminary inquiry into allegations that came to his attention regarding unidentified aerial crashes in the 1940's in New Mexico. I met with a number of people who had made public statements on the matter. I reported my conclusion to the Senator that the basis for such allegations did not appear to merit any further Senate investigation. Beyond this inquiry on behalf of the Senator, I have no personal opinion on the matter and consider the inquiry to have been closed for over 20 years.”

Discovery happened while I was processing some leftovers on Dick D’Amato that I previously collected. Amato’s official page was located on this address:

http://cricharddamato.com

However, that domain is now defunct but this one still works:

http://www.megalomediadesigns.com/dickdamato.html

His statement is positioned under the section “Downloads” where it leads to subsection titled:

Response to UFO Chronicles

http://www.megalomediadesigns.com/dickdamato_downloads.html

http://www.megalomediadesigns.com/dickdamato_response.html

I immediately contacted Frank Warren – author of the UFO Chronicles website - to double check if D’Amato ever submitted this response to him. It was not so but this article possibly triggered D’Amato’s to put his reaction on the website (article describes meeting between Jesse Marcel Jr and Dick D’Amato):

On The Road To Roswell 2007: A Discussion With Col. Jesse Marcel Jr.

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Although D’Amato’s statement on his website has a different tone compared to reported off the record meetings, it is still valuable to be aware about his official position on the topic.
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Whitley Strieber’s Novel (related to meeting between Marcel Jr and D’Amato)

D'Amato, Stevens & Inouye

Stanton Friedman confirms in this UFO Updates 2006 post he was also present in secure room with Marcel Jr and D’Amato.

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Alien UFO ‘Wreckage’ Is Being Held By U.S. Government, Claims Fox News Host

Conservative Fox News host Tucker Carlson appeared on the History Channel program 'Ancient Aliens' last week.

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In an interview with British journalist Nick Pope that aired on the November 22 edition of Ancient Aliens, Carlson claimed that a “knowledgeable” source has told him that the United States government possesses physical evidence that alien spacecraft have landed on Earth — or at least, crash-landed.

By Jonathan Vankin www.inquisitr.com 11-30-19

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hmm... 👽🤔 #AncientAliens pic.twitter.com/dNFzJda6iU

— Ancient Aliens (@AncientAliens) November 26, 2019

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Kecksburg UFO Incident Expert, Stan Gordon Talks UFOs

Stan Gordon, author and researcher of unidentified flying objects [UFOs] who is considered a leading expert on the Kecksburg UFO Incident joins Robert Mangino to discuss the Kecksburg UFO Festival, UFO history and recent UFO sightings in the PA area.

By Editor The UFO Chronicles 8-1-19

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The Aztec UFO Incident 71st Anniversary | – Interview with Scott & Suzanne Ramsey

The high desert of New Mexico, March 25, 1948 early morning a rancher leaves his house to let his goats out of the corral. There is a loud noise that draws his eyes to the sky where he sees a silver flying saucer wobbling as if in distress.

By Martin Willis Live Shows 3-26-19

The saucer scrapes along a rock cliff causing sparks. It then heads north and lands on a mesa. There a group of witnesses gather to examine the craft including ranchers, oil field workers, police, a county commissioner and preacher. They find that the craft is intact except for a hole the size of a quarter. They quickly grab a pole from one of their trucks and began poking in side of the craft. Suddenly the craft opens and reveals 2 slumped over dead beings. As if this isn’t amazing enough, there is so much more to this comprehensive study and documentation of a historical event. Meet the witnesses and scientists that worked on the craft. Follow the individuals involved in the cover-up and the enduring impact that this incident had on their lives and all of ours. Now available through Career Press The Aztec UFO INCIDENT.

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