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Friday, February 09, 2024

The Aztec UFO Incident and The Fog of Time (1)

Letter From Home (Flying Saucer Snippet, Letter From Warty To Grandma) - Aztec Independent Review 3-24-1950 www.theufochronicles.com



Origin Stories

     Recently, colleague and noted researcher Curt Collins reached out and inquired about “a claim that the Aztec hoax was inspired by a joke newspaper story in the Aztec Independent Review by George Bawra.” [sic] Curt discovered a blurb (See below) in Garrett M. Graff's new book, "UFO: The Inside Story of the US Government's Search for Alien Life Here―and Out There," which precipitated the question.

(For the record, the more common, long held precept for the origins of the Aztec UFO crash narrative is that the story was created out of
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whole cloth by two purported conmen, i.e., Silas Newton and Leo GeBauer. This account was borne by then, off and on again newspaper reporter, J.P. Cahn. Given the national obsession with the then Flying Saucers, and after reading, Frank Scully's book, Behind The Flying Saucers, Cahn saw an opportunity to get his job back at the San Francisco Chronicle; he called his former boss, Scott Newhall at the Chronicle and said, "I'll guarantee you we have one of two things, we have the greatest story since the resurrection or the greatest hoax since the Cardiff Giant." Although the lure of the account in Frank Scully's bestselling book got Cahn his job back, in the aftermath, the Chronicle decided against publishing the hit piece. Later, Cahn sold his article to Ken Purdy, publisher of True Magazine).
Aztec Snippet in UFO -The Inside Story of the US Government's Search for Alien Life Here By Garret M. Graff - www.theufochronicles.com
Snippet from Garrett M. Graff's new book, "UFO: The Inside Story of the US Government's Search for Alien Life Here―and Out There"

Curt additionally cited, Jerome Clark’s piece in Omni magazine, in the Sept. 1988 issue and in referencing researcher Bill's Moore previous report on Aztec, he in part wrote:

"UFO researcher William Moore who has investigated the Aztec story dismissed the new allegations [By Bill Steinman in the book, "UFO Crash at Aztec, A Well Kept Secret"] as 'unsubstantiated conjecture.' And a reporter for the Daily Times [Debi Yeager] published in nearby Farmington says nobody in Aztec even remembers a UFO crash [*See article below]. 'Several years ago I got a call from a guy in California and that's the first time I ever heard the story', says the reporter. "I decided to check it out. No one knew anything about it, except George Bawra [Sic] who's now dead. At the time he was editor of the Aztec Independent Review. He told me he had written a tongue-in-cheek story about a UFO in the area. Apparently some people picked up the story as gospel."

He (Curt) went on to say that, "I've seen this repeated again and again" (as most of us who pay attention have).

The Farmington Daily Times article cited by Moore is seen below:
What Happened Around Aztec, By Debi Yeager - Farmington Daily Times 1-17-1982 www.theufochronicles.com
* Farmington Daily Times 1-17-1982

In the latter part of 1991, The International UFO Reporter published an in-depth article/report by researchers, William E. Jones and Rebecca D. Minshall concerning Aztec, and the assertions of Bill Steinman; although they didn’t travel to Aztec, they did contact some of the stated witnesses Steinman talked to and concluded the following:

“Neither the Scully book nor the Steinman book is persuasive. The critical information each presents is questionable. Everyone we contacted in Aztec, especially the older people who were adults in March of 1948, is certain that no crash ever took place. It is clear that the flying-saucer-crash story is part of Aztec's folklore but not its history.”

One of the witnesses that Jones & Minshall spoke to (also) brought up Bowra, and stated:

"... the crash story may have been started by a newspaper man she believes was named George Bower [sic]; he sometimes wrote partially true and sensational stories for the local paper to help boost circulation."
Official UFO magazine (Aztec Article by McClelland) - Oct. 1975
Official UFO Dec. 1975

Going back further to 1975, the magazine, Official UFO, published an article/report, by Mike McClelland, then an investigator for the Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization (APRO), as well as Project Coordinator for the Unidentified Flying Object Report and Information Center (UFORIC). The title of the article was, "The UFO Crash of 1948 was a Hoax."

McClelland's report/article was prompted by the revelations (concerning Aztec) of one Robert Spencer Carr, who was primarily known as "an American writer of science fiction and fantasy." Carr's revivification of the Aztec crash story, first mentioned on a radio broadcast on Oct. 11, 1974 to promote the upcoming Flying Saucer Symposium by PSI Conferences in Tampa, Florida "created a media sensation that lasted for months in print and broadcast news."

In regards to Bowra, McClelland wrote:

"... George Bowra who owned the Aztec newspaper in 1948. From my conversation with him, he impressed me as one who must have been a colorful individual. He recalled a tongue-in-cheek article he had written for the newspaper years ago describing his abduction by little green men from space."

Letters From Home

On the mind of readers at this point is, why not locate the original article(s) cited over the years? The short answer is various researchers and or interested parties have tried, myself and close colleagues included.

Several years ago with our first pass looking through the microfilm and or copies thereof the Aztec Independent Review for the issues published around 1948—we searched for any articles akin to the Aztec narrative, concerning flying saucers, crashes, aliens etc., we got zilch, bupkis, nada.

A breakthrough occurred when I interviewed George Bowra's son, Jim (RIP) back in 2013. When questioned about the alleged article, he stated:

"my father periodically wrote a tongue-in-cheek ... uhh, article ... about a boy, kinda of a hillbilly dumb kid named Warty, and he was writing to his grandmother. Occasionally it would be local politics and city government but usually it was just ... something. He wrote this one particularly ... Warty wrote this one about a flying saucer ..."

Armed with that information we took another dive into the microfilm, and with our boots on the ground colleague, B.M. Marshall–we stroke gold; we finally understood why the so-called article(s) were so elusive. As you can see (below), the piece(s) wasn't an article at all, it was a regular column, certainly tongue-in-cheek as described and first published in July of 1949.

The first mention of Flying Saucers specifically in Bowra's Letter From Home column was published in the March 24th, 1950 weekly issue of The Aztec Independent Review.

(This was not the first mention of Flying Saucers in the paper, more on that later).
Letters From Home, People Who See Flying Saucers 3-24-1950 - www.theufochronicles.com
The Aztec Independent Review March 24, 1950

Also in that issue was an editorial likewise by Bowra simply entitled, "Flying Saucers" (see below). The commentary cites the Flying Saucer (UFO) events which occurred for 3 days in neighboring Farmington the week prior, offering a circumspect if not derogatory demeanor to the happenings at that time. In contrast, the Farmington Daily Times felt the sightings merited, front page, headline news. The March 18th (1950) edition of the paper in large, caps, entitled their primary article, as “HUGE ‘SAUCER’ ARMADA JOLTS FARMINGTON.”

Farmington Daily Times March 18, 1950 - www.theufochronicles.com
Farmington Daily Times March 18, 1950

The gist of Bowra’s editorial was continued in his other column, "Rips and Tears." (See below). In absorbing all three elements (the Letter From Home column; the editorial and the Rips and Tears column) of the that edition that addressed or mentioned Flying Saucers, it’s clear that the events of nearby Farmington are what instigated the focus on the Saucers (UFOs).

Flying Saucers - Aztec Independent Review 3-24-1950 www.theufochronicles.com
The Aztec Independent Review March 24, 1950
Rips and Tears (Flying Saucers) 3-24-1950 www.theufochronicles.com
The Aztec Independent Review March 24, 1950
Although Bowra's fictional character Warty, in writing to Grandma in the Letter From Home column shown above spoke of saucers, it was in generalizations and not event specific. With the actual articles now in play and conjecture aside, methinks even the most ardent skeptic would agree it would be a stretch, to put it mildly that the aforementioned piece is what birthed the Aztec UFO crash narrative. However, like Flying Saucer/UFO sightings during that time, Warty wasn't done, he would broach the subect again in the May 5th, 1950 issue (of the Aztec Independent Review). This time, he reports a sighting (See below).
Letters From Home, We Finally Saw a Saucer - Aztec Independent Review 5-5-1950 - www.theufochronicles.com

In contrast to the first mention of Flying Saucers in the column, Letter From Home, in where Warty (Bowra) spoke in broad strokes, here (right) albeit in the repeatedly described tongue-in-cheek manner, in this instance, published on the week of May 5th, 1950, Warty is facetiously reporting about a specific (fictional) Flying Saucer (UFO) event.

Although the first mention of George Bowra, in connection with Flying Saucers (UFOs) by an outside source (Desert Magazine) occurred in 1950 (more on that later), the most significant was in McClelland’s piece in December of 1975. Important to note, as stated previously, McClelland wrote:

“He [Bowra] recalled a tongue-in-cheek article he had written for the newspaper years ago describing his abduction by little green men from space."

For the record, beginning with his son, who also worked for the paper—nowhere has there been another report or reference to Bowra writing about “abductions” whimsical or no in the Aztec Independent Review, or anywhere else for that matter.

Conversely, abductions were brought to the American mainstream via “The UFO Incident, the 1975 American made-for-television biographical film starring James Earl Jones and Estelle Parsons based on the alleged 1961 alien abduction of Barney and Betty Hill.” The movie splashed across screens in October, and was the talk across kitchen tables from coast to coast. Bowra was 77 by the time McClelland spoke to him; the former never took Flying Saucers/UFOs seriously as his penscript demonstrates; I believe, given his age, then current media coverage of the TV movie and abductions, and through the fog of time—he conflated “abductions” with his previous writings re Flying Saucers via his pseudonym, Warty back in the day.

Conclusions

With the Sept. 29th issue of 1950, the title of Bowra’s column was changed to “Letter To Grandma” and by March of ’52 it was taken off the front page. Over time variations would appear, e.g., Letter From Grandma, Letters To Warty from Rimrock and Letters From Cousins. Warty (Bowra) would write again (Letter To Grandma) about Flying Saucers in the Nov. 9th, 1951 issue, recalling the mass sightings (Farmington Saucer Armada) of the year before and attributing the events to the “power of suggestion.”

As I replied to Curt regarding his inquiry, I wrote:

“Did George Bowra write a fictional account that describes what is known today as The Aztec Incident? No. Did he mention Flying Saucers which was an off and on again convo based on media attention? Yes, in his light-hearted letters to Grandma.”

Additionally, Franky Scully first wrote about “The Aztec Incident” in his column for Variety magazine on Oct. 12th 1949—months before Bowra would generally mention Flying Saucers; said article was basically an abstract of what would later become his bestselling book, Behind the Flying Saucers (Henry Holt and Company, 1950). Moreover, at the same time, while Scully was enlightening his readers, likewise Silas Newton was spilling the beans on the golf course.

Finally, it’s clear from reading Bowra’s penscript above—there’s nothing that resembles, the Aztec UFO narrative, crashed Flying Saucers, aliens or abductions. The one Flying Saucer/UFO specific event he cites in his fictional, whimsical account published in the May, 5th 1950 issue which described seeing a UFO through the back window of his “store building,” shooting at it, and then realizing it was only a reflection of a “swinging light globe.” Full stop.

Tuesday, June 22, 2021

Another Pilot, Alex Dietrich Who Engaged The Tic-Tac UFO, Details The Events with Skeptic Mick West

Another Pilot, Alex Dietrich Who Engaged Tic-Tac UFO Details The Events with Skeptic Mick West


     Pilot, Lieutenant Alex Dietrich who along with Commander David Fravor, of the F/A-18F squadron on the USS Nimitz engaged what has become known as The Tic-Tac UFO, finally went public with her account of the event(s) on CBS’ 60 Minutes, May 16th, 2021. (She did appear anonymously on Tom Delonge’s, Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation). Since that time, she has been inundated with interview requests, and has become a social media celebrity of sorts.

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Out of the melee, self-proclaimed skeptic, Mick West, who himself has gained notoriety of late, by debunking alleged UFO events generally, and countering the Tic-Tac UFO event specifically, persuaded her to sit down with him for an impromptu interview (see below).

The discussion was centered on what is labeled, CVW-11 EVENT SUMMARY (see below), which is exactly what it sounds like, i.e., a summary of events surrounding the UFO encounter on November 14th, 2004; Dietrich, although acknowledging that she can’t confirm the authenticity of the document (in that moment), intimates that it does appear genuine, incorporating proper nomenclature, etc., and deconstructs it paragraph by paragraph.


Navy Event Summary CVW-11 (11-14-2004 - pg 1 of 3)
Navy Event Summary CVW-11 (11-14-2004 - pg 2 of 3)
Navy Event Summary CVW-11 (11-14-2004 - pg 3 of 3)

Wednesday, May 26, 2021

Navy UFO Videos Debunked?

Navy UFO Videos Debunked, Mick West on Cuomo 5-21-21


     Mick West, a retired video game programmer, science writer, self-proclaimed skeptical investigator, author of Escaping the Rabbit Hole: How to Debunk Conspiracy Theories Using Facts, Logic, and Respect and arguably the most vocal, prominent
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skeptic these days, appeared on Cuomo Prime Time Friday night (5-21-21). (See video below).

The discussion was the latest segment of an ad hoc series of programs dedicated to the current brouhaha surrounding recent military (Navy) UFO sightings and upcoming congressional report. Days earlier Cuomo hosted Sean Cahil, retired US Navy Chief Master-at-Arms, and Christopher Mellon, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, both familiar names in current day Ufology. (See video below)

In fairness, and to his credit—Chris Cuomo offered up counter arguments to the claim of extraordinary, unidentified airborne vehicles (UFOs) by way of Mick West. The first bone of contention was the video of "pyramid shaped" UFO filmed by personnel from the USS Russell, part of the Navy Strike Group 9 while on maneuvers off the coast of San Diego in July of 2019. West presented a very sober, cogent, logical theorem supported by ancillary evidence arguing that the image(s) were nothing more than the result of a camera/lens aberration. Moreover, and in staying in the lines of scientific method—he was able to replicate the “lens effect” known as Bokeh (pronounced Bokee).

The other Navy videos reviewed were what is known as The Gimbal and the Go-Fast respectively. Again, West methodically presented prosaic explanations for each. Cuomo countered by asking, “And the military wouldn’t be sophisticated enough to know about this potential issue[s]?”

West responded:
“Oh, I think that the military certainly is, but I think what’s going on here is perhaps this UAP task force that’s leaking these things out, perhaps doesn’t have a lot of people on board and somehow has become convinced that this was maybe at some at point unidentified. The thing is we don’t know any context of this video; we know very little about what the provenance of it is and what people are actually claiming about it other than the people or UFO promotors that have released it.”
Cuomo ended the segment by asking West, “are you open to the concerns of some of the military intel people that there are things out there they can’t explain?” West replied in the affirmative and expressed his concern over the matter and agreed that these incidents should be investigated (common ground between a skeptic and UFO mavens); however, he reiterated that the videos in question are not of something amazing and can all be attributed to mundane explanations.






See Also:

Pyramid Shaped UFOs Are Bokehs
Is The Pyramid UFO Nothing More Then a 'Lens Aberration'?
Did the Navy Film Pyramid Shaped UFOs
UFO Images are Real, Pentagon Confirms
Gimbal UFO
Navy F-18 'Gimbal UFO' Video Explained?



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Saturday, May 22, 2021

UFO Material in Possession of U.S. Government, Reveals Fmr Pentagon Official

UFO Material in Possession of U.S. Government, Reveals Fmr Pentagon Official


     Former Pentagon official and director of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, Luis Elizondo in an interview on The Tucker Carlson Show on Wednesday (5-19-21) expressed skepticism re the upcoming Congressional Report on
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UFOs / UAP due out next month (in June). He, stated:
“what we should learn … is what the U.S. government knows about this topic and has known for a while; it’s a threat assessment that’s supposed to be conducted at the unclassified level and then provided to Congress, which is a report that is expected to be comprehensive and certainly that is a report that Congress deserves. Unfortunately, what we might get is something that is much more watered down and I think from my perspective that’s probably the most concerning part of this, that last thing we need is more obfuscation.”
In response to a question from Carlson regarding Navy pilots witnessing UFOs violating U.S. airspace, Elizondo admitted he saw the actual reports and stated:
“There were times that you’d look at a monthly report and there 25-26 [UFO] incidents occurring in a 30 day time period. … Someone with some sort of technology that we don’t have is incurring in controlled U.S. airspace on a regular and routine basis and no one wants to do a darn thing about it!”
In response to a question about “physical evidence” and “debris,” Elizondo said:
“The United States government is in possession of exotic material, and I’ll leave it at that.”
He concluded the interview in asserting that more analysis is needed concerning the material and that there are “pockets” in the federal government that “are willing to do the right thing,” but was reluctant to mention names or groups citing his own experience with reprisals.

Saturday, March 27, 2021

UFOs Engage Navy War Ships (Again) FOIAs Reveal

UFOs Engage Navy War Ships (Again) FOIAs Reveal


     Documentary filmmaker, Dave Beaty—executive produced, researched and directed the film, The Nimitz Encounters, a most needed, topnotch, sober documentary on UFO related events involving the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group while conducting routine training and aerial defense exercises off the coast of California in 2004. Arguably, these UFO engagements will be marked as one of the most significant events in the history of Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon both in scope, as well as how it helped reshape the government/military’s stance on same.
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Dave’s fervor specific to Naval UFO encounters and the publicity garnered by the film keep him active in UFO/UAP research and last year, via social media, detailed in an exposé by Danny Silva—he announced that he had received the deck logs from the USS Kidd for the previous year (2019); therein he found mention of a Snoopie Team, (an “intelligence detail that tries to identify unknown ships and aircraft that come within the visual range of the ship”) and a UAVS (Unidentified Aerial Vehicle):
USS Kidd Deck Log (Snippet) 7-30-2019

Additionally, David cited a Navy Vet, to whom he speaks very highly of in regards to the latter’s friend on the USS KIDD in 2019 who stated:
“I know he said he could see them with the naked eye and they were almost eye level with the bridge hovering. They were the same tic-tac shaped objects.” [emphasis added]
So, here it would seem, 15 years after the Nimitz Encounters we have yet another similar UFO/UAP situation, involving US warships; in the same vicinity and like UFOs as reported in 2004.

Dave’s research and announcements caught the eye of Tyler Rogoway over at The War Zone, and he picked up the baton in a big way. Rogoway and company got on the FOIA bandwagon and struck gold. He writes:
“The following is our own investigation into these events, during which we discovered these events were far more extensive in scale than previously understood.”

Sunday, April 12, 2020

SKINWALKER RANCH: Original Owner/Family Member Sets The Record Straight



Skinwalker Ranch

     With all the recent hoopla going on with The Skinwalker Ranch, which in part includes, the new History Channel series, The Secret of The Skinwalker Ranch, along with investigative research conducted by Keith Basterfield, Jack Brewer and Erica Lukes, et al—I felt compelled to highlight the Q and A session between author, Frank B. Salisbury, Ph.D. and Garth Myers that appeared in the book, The Utah UFO Display (Devin-Adair Publishing-1974). (ad). The latter is the brother of the late Ken-
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neth John Myers, who with his wife Edith (Childs) bought the ranch in 1933, and all told occupied it for 60 years. At the time, what better authority was there to recount the paranormal activity, or lack thereof at the so-called Skinwalker Ranch?

From Frank B. Salisbury’s The Utah UFO Display, (ad) pgs 218-222 (Springville, Utah: Cedar Fort, Inc., 2010). Used by permission:

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By an amazing coincidence, I found myself in contact with Myers. It turned out that Myers lived only a few blocks from me and after talking with him on the phone. I recorded my first interview with him on September 3, 2009. In our first telephone conversation, Myers cleared up a few things and told me the location of the ranch. After the interview, there were follow-up visits as we got to know each other. Here is a summary of the ranch’s history from our interviews.

Garth’s brother and sister-in-law, Kenneth John Myers and Edith Childs had purchased the ranch around 1933 (not in the 1950s). Garth who was eighty-eight-years old at the time of my interview, was much younger than his brother; he had actually worked on the ranch for three summers as a teenager. Kenneth and Edith began with about 160 acres and accumulated other parcels until they had formed the 480-acre ranch, living in quite primitive conditions at first but improving things through the years. They had one child who died in infancy before they moved to the ranch. There were no other children. Kenneth died in 1987 at age eighty-six, but his widow continued to live on the ranch for five years, until she was taken to a rest home. For two years the ranch was vacant but always leased out to other ranchers to farm and run cattle, even before Kenneth died. Then when Edith died on March 3, 1994, the ranch reverted to Garth Myers and his sisters, Helen M. Baxter and LaPriel Poulson. Less than three months Later, Garth, as executor of the Kenneth and Edith Myers estate, negotiated sale of the ranch to the witness family [The Sherman's]. But after nearly two years, they ran into difficulties, losing several prize cattle, as recorded in Skinwalker. (This was when Junior Hicks first visited the ranch, witnessing some of the cattle mutilations and other phenomena: Junior had not visited the ranch when it belonged to the Myers.) But by then the UFO rumors were circulating wildly, especially after the two articles about the ranch in the Deseret News. Along came Bob Bigelow and the ranch was sold to him.

What about the important statement that the “greatest concentration of high strangeness has always taken place at what became the [Skinwalker] 480 - acre ranch?” Garth Myers vigorously denies it! Here are the important parts of the interview that I recorded:

Garth: I can tell you right off that my brother died in April of 1987. My sister-in-law lived alone there until about 1992. She died in March 1994. And I can tell you unequivocally that up to 1992 there had never been and there never were any signs of that [UFO and similar activity.] [My emphasis–FW]

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Now, the ranch was vacant for about two years after she [entered a rest home]. I went to it occasionally just to check the house. Then we sold it to [the witness (Terry Sherman)] about six months after she died [actually, about three months]. I don't know what happened while it was vacant, but I don't think anything went on. There was nothing, unequivocally, absolutely nothing that went on while she and my brother lived there. [My emphasis–FW] She lived there alone from 1987 to 1992, five years. And part of the time she had a dog. Before my former brother died; he had a dog that got caught in a trap and had one hind leg partially amputated. He lived for about three years, and then she was alone without a dog….

FBS: I think that they make a statement in the book [Hunt for Skinwalker] that things had been going on since way back to the Indians, and so on.

Garth: See, this is [the witness (Terry Sherman)]. That's the story he made. But it's not the right story!

FBS: That's why I'm here to talk to you, because you are somebody who knows.

Garth: ... The next thing I knew I get this information that there were UFOs, and he was scared to death, and then this man in Las Vegas phoned in and was going to buy it. . ..

All I know is, about a month or six weeks after he bought it, Bigelow called me on the phone and wondered why we hadn't told anybody about the UFOS. I told him they didn't get there until [the witness] got there, and he said "UFOS were coming there and you had dogs keeping the people away." And I said all they had at most were two dogs, and the last time my sister-in-law lived there five years with a three-legged dog and part of the time with no dog at all, and there were no UFOS. And he said "Oh, you're not telling me the truth." I said, "If you don't believe it, I guess we don't need to talk anymore," and that was about it. So, after about six months I got another call from somebody, and they kind of told the same story. The last caller was maybe five or six years ago-don't know who. He said he wanted to have lunch with me. I said "On one condition: That you'll show me the ranch." He said: "Can't do it." I said: "Okay, I guess no lunch." That's the last I've heard. You probably have the articles in the Deseret News.

At this point, I told him about my scientific interest in UFOS, that I was a professor emeritus at Utah State University, and a bit more of my history. I told him that I don't "believe" in UFOS; I investigate UFOS. I told him that I was working on The Utah UFO Display, originally published in 1974. I said, I must have a chapter on the ranch, so that makes this interview very valuable to me, because I can say there is another side to it that isn't known."

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Garth replied, "My brother had 480 acres, if I remember. My brother bought that ranch in about 1933. Just a little house, an outdoor privy, and no water, electricity, telephone. They had to haul water from Fort Duchesne. They were essentially hermits. They only established relationships with two people in Randlett, but other than that, they had no communication with their neighbors. Hard worker, honest, hard man to work for. I worked for him awhile."

Garth Myers practiced with his M.D. in pediatric neurology. He spent much of his career at the LDS Primary Children's Hospital but also worked for the State Department of Health. In his discussions with me, it became clear that, like most educated people with a scientific background (and no real knowledge of the extent and evidence of the UFO accounts), Garth simply rejects any idea that there might be some reality to the UFO phenomenon. I told him a few Uintah Basin stories, but he said: "That's fine. As long as you know they are just stories!" This being the case, in all honesty we must consider the possibility that Kenneth and Edith Myers were experiencing UFO visits on their ranch, but knowing that their brother was such a skeptic, they decided not to share this information with him. Remember, however, that he was there himself (as a teenager) for three summers without seeing any UFOS. Yes, that was long ago, but the Skinwalker statement says the UFO activity goes back even to the time of the Native Americans.

In a telephone conversation on September 5, 2009 (sadly, not recorded!), I asked him if it were possible that his brother and sister-in-law didn't tell him about UFO activity they were experiencing. This he vehemently denied. He said he was very close to his brother (in spite of the age difference), knowing every detail of their lives. [My emphasis–FW] After his brother died, he kept in very close touch with his sister-in-law-many visits and close emotional ties as he worried about her living there alone. He feels totally confident that his brother and sister-in-law would have told him about any strange activity, especially under the circumstances. Nevertheless, the point is so important that we'll return to it several times in this chapter. Did the Myers couple have a secret life that was not known even to their brother? There are those who keep making that suggestion.

Later, I called Garth Myers from the Uintah Basin to ask him a few more questions.

First is the matter of locks inside and outside the house when the witness bought it. Garth has said that this simply was not true. When he

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visited the ranch, it took one key to enter the home, and if that key didn't work, a sharp kick on the door would let him in! There was no profusion of locks. (The witness, however, told me that there were small sliding locks on cupboards inside.)

Second is the matter of no digging being allowed on the ranch. That rumor might have been fortified by Charles Winn, who said he was digging something for Kenneth Myers with his backhoe when Kenneth told him for sure not to dig in a certain area. That doesn't sound very sinister. If I owned a ranch, I might not want someone with a backhoe to dig in certain places. So what? Garth said that the only stipulation in the real estate contract was that the previous owners retained the oil rights to the property! Since oil has become important in the Basin, such a stipulation is common when a ranch is sold. So the real-estate contract stipulated that if the new owners dug for oil, they must notify the previous owners. Does this sound like "a meaningless clause crafted by elderly eccentrics"? Further, as noted in my interview with Garth, he denied that his brother had ever used large guard dogs. The widow Edith had only the one three-legged dog, and he died a couple of years before Edith left the ranch for the rest home. And what about the following statement in Skinwalker with its ominous implication?: "The previous owners had bought the property in the 1950s but now seemed glad to unload it. Does it sound ominous that an elderly brother and his two sisters might like to unload a ranch that they had no way of keeping up? When the witness wanted to buy the ranch, it offered Garth and his sisters a chance to settle Kenneth and Edith's estate.

But doubts persisted, so as the three of us-Junior, James Carrion, and I-made our Uintah Basin visits, we considered the question over and over, discussing it among ourselves and with many of those whom we interviewed: Was the Myers ranch plagued with UFO activity for over half a century while the Myers established their ranch? Junior had only one story to support this: He seemed to remember that a clerk at a drugstore told him that Edith Myers had UFO stories to tell. But that is very tenuous evidence. Memories long after the fact, especially of such trivialities as a brief conversation while counting out the change, tend to be distorted–and perhaps influenced by the extensive publicity that followed the Deseret News articles and then publication of Skinwalker.

We had a long conversation with John Garcia (called Mr. Gonzalez in Skinwalker), whose ranch adjoined the Myers/(Skinwalker) ranch on the

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cast, and with Charles Winn, whose ranch adjoined it on the northwest. Each rancher had some wonderful UFO stories to tell, as I'll relate at the end of this chapter, but again and again we asked if this activity occurred while the Myers were living on the property. Time and again they would search back in their memories and come up blank as to activity on the ranch before the Myers left. Garcia's account, the one related below, did go back to the Myers' time, but he didn't think the Myers were aware of his sighting. Except for Garcia's account and various cattle mutilations, most of the Garcia and Winn stories were generated by experiences after Robert Bigelow bought the ranch. The cattle mutilations were confirmed by Pete Pickup, who had been a deputy sheriff and a tribal policeman starting during the Myers' occupancy. He had investigated at least a dozen cattle mutilations at various ranches, going back to the 1970s, and he was employed by NIDS and Bob Bigelow, but he could not confirm UFO activity prior to the witness's purchase of the ranch.

So according to Garth Myers, and there certainly is good reason to think that he should know the basic facts about the history of the ranch, and with the backing of Junior's memory plus the comments of John Garcia and Charles Winn, the Skinwalker version of the ranch's history is badly distorted.

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Monday, December 23, 2019

Russian and Chinese Pilots Have Been Killed Chasing UFOs, Says Reporter Tom Rogan



Russian and Chinese Pilots Have Been KIlled Chasing UFOs, Says Reporter Tom Rogan

     Tom Rogan, columnist for the Washington Examiner, who recently penned the piece, “The real reasons the US government is so secretive about UFOs” caught the eye of Fox News talk show host Tucker Carlson, who, to his credit visits the UFO topic regularly via his platform. Rogan appeared on Carlson’s show last night (12-19-19) and he added a little more clarity to his written report.

In his piece, he in part wrote, “… UFOs appear to be quite
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friendly, except when rather ill-advised Russian aircrews attempt to engage them.” Within that sentence was a link to the UK’s government archive page which contained a few pages of the MoD’s (Ministry of Defence) investigation and report re UAP/UFO phenomenon. Rogan's description was rather tame compared to what the actual document states, as those who followed the link would discover.

Not only did the report disclose that Russia and China have worked together, investigating the UFO/UAP phenomenon, it also stated, "Several aircraft have been destroyed and at least four pilots have been killed 'chasing UFOs.'"

Conversely, in the interview, Rogan cites the document specifically, stating that pilots were lost and Carlson interrupts, saying, "were killed" and Rogan replies in the affirmative. (Watch the interview below).

Here is the snippet of the UK report confirming the "death of at least four pilots."

Russian and Chinese Pilots Have Been KIlled Chasing UFOs, Says Reporter Tom Rogan

Towards the end of the interview, Rogan drew attention to the UFO/Nuke connection and cited the research of Robert Hastings, along with his book, UFOs and Nukes – Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weaposn Sites.




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