Showing posts with label Robert Sheaffer. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Robert Sheaffer. Show all posts

Friday, June 29, 2018

AATIP Crew Handled Kimbler Roswell Debris

Peculiar Material From Roswell Site

     Samples of debris reportedly recovered by Frank Kimbler at what he believed to be the vicinity of the storied Roswell crash site were provided to Hal Puthoff's Earth Tech and Robert Bigelow's BAASS, each later named as key figures in a Pentagon-funded UFO investigation project in a much discussed Dec. 16, 2017, NYT article. As many are aware, the Times piece described what came to be known as the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program, among other titles, which reportedly operated from at least 2007 through 2011. A 2011 blog post at The UFO Trail suggested Kimbler provided samples for testing to Puthoff and Bigelow, the latter of which the Times
Jack Brewer
By Jack Brewer
The UFO Trail
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described as directing the modification of buildings in Las Vegas for storing materials recovered from unidentified aerial phenomena. Puthoff informed Kimbler of the availability of funding assistance for possible further testing, according to a 2011 email from Kimbler.

Hal Puthoff
Hal Puthoff
Several websites are effectively pursuing likely sources of claims of stored materials, including blogs written by Keith Basterfield, Jason Colavito, and Robert Sheaffer. Worthy analysis of the "alloys" aspect of the evolving AATIP story was also published at Daily Grail. The Kimbler saga might add yet another piece to the puzzle. Researchers are largely forced to untangle the web on their own, as those claiming to be in the know are selectively releasing incomplete statements, often struggling with reasonable follow up questions if not altogether ignoring them.

As Colavito wrote, writer Leslie Kean, a co-author of the original Times article, had trouble trying to explain what was not classified about the alleged alloys and other aspects of the program. Similarly, the exact origins of the materials in question are unclear, as are their ownership.

The UFO Trail blog post from Sep. 3, 2011, explored some of Kimbler's samples reportedly going missing under unusual circumstances. The post further stated:
Kimbler has previous dealings with Hal Puthoff of Earth Tech and Robert Bigelow's BAASS while attempting to obtain quality analysis of the material he located. Many suspect the debris may be linked to the now famous Roswell crash. Kimbler indicated the analysis has been slow and tedious, and his dealing with both Earth Tech and BAASS raised concerns.
Email exchanges with Kimbler leading up to the blog post include an Aug. 22, 2011, message in which he explained he provided Earth Tech and BAASS with samples. He described both outfits as not forthcoming with information, sometimes requiring months of repeatedly asking the status of tests. He never received any data at all on one particular sample sent to BAASS, Kimbler wrote.

Kimbler added in the 2011 email that an interesting side note occurred when Puthoff of Earth Tech, in spite of being relatively unhelpful with the tests, later wrote Kimbler. According to Kimbler's email, Puthoff suggested financial assistance was available for more analysis if desired. This seemed to leave Kimbler somewhat perplexed as to why adequate testing was not simply conducted on the samples and satisfactorily reported to him in the first place.

Offered an opportunity to comment for this post, Kimbler replied in a June 28, 2018, email, "Everything I said in 2011 is true."

Earth Tech did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The significance of debris found by Kimbler in the New Mexico desert sparked debate within the UFO community. Some believe it to be remnants of a crashed alien spacecraft, while others suspect it may provide clues to what human-manufactured vehicle actually went down that fateful summer of 1947. Others point out the material has not yet been established as necessarily having anything at all to do with the famous Roswell story.

Sunday, September 17, 2017

Kecksburg UFO Case Report Author, Responds to Skeptics

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Film Bucket Return Capsule Used in Corona Satellites
Editor’s Note: Recently we published a report on The Kecksburg UFO Incident, researched and written by Dr. Bob Wenzel Gross. Dr. Gross’ thesis is that the mystery object that fell at Kecksburg on Thursday, December 9, 1965 was in fact a top secret satellite, under the Corona Program. Well known skeptic Robert Sheaffer took issue with Dr. Gross’ hypothesis, arguing that the object was merely a meteor. Here below is Dr Gross’ rejoinder—FW

     I thoroughly enjoyed reading Mr. Sheaffer’s Thursday, September 14, 2017 review of my article recently published by Frank Warren in The UFO Chronicles.com. Mr. Sheaffer’s review was titled: Another Nonsensical "Explanation" for the Kecksburg Incident. My article was entitled: Closing the Kecksburg UFO Case Opened Another Mystery. Most of Mr. Sheaffer’s critique targeted the second part of my so-called “loopy ‘explanation.’”

During his critique, Mr. Sheaffer seems to have made an attempt to mislead his readers by failing to mention that the bulk of the material
Dr. Bob Wenzel Gross
Dr. Bob Wenzel Gross
The UFO Chronicles
© 9-15-17
he critiqued was lifted out of context from my article’s “Prediction” section. The “Prediction” section was a subsection I included in my article under the heading: “Applying the Scientific Method to the Kecksburg UFO Riddle.”

As many quality researchers understand, such predictions allow a scientist to be specific about how to demonstrate that a hypothesis is accurate. My stated hypothesis was: A Corona Satellite was launched from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California on December 9, 1965. Due to an anomaly of sorts, its recovery vehicle separated from the satellite earlier than planned. Thus, this Corona recovery vehicle in conjunction with its film bucket is a highly viable candidate for the object that landed in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania on that same date.

Once a hypothesis and a prediction are developed, a true scientist does not change them even if the results of the experiment show that they are wrong. An incorrect prediction is not a failure. It merely indicates that the experiment demonstrated new facts that were previously unknown. Experimental information by nature is imperfect. Scientific results usually contain errors. One of my research goals has always involved minimizing errors. Thanks to Mr. Sheaffer’s own recent research, I now have even more information to possibly conduct an ancillary study related to the Kecksbrug UFO mystery.

Although the Corona Satellite project was technically declassified around 1995, the contents of some satellites are currently classified—even as I write. Such contents may be classified because of the nature of the nuclear materials they enclosed. Furthermore, NASA has not yet provided a detailed description of the nuclear experiment on board Satellite KH-4A 1027 (NASA has provided detailed descriptions of nuclear experiments on board other Corona Satellites).

A NASA document that I obtained in 2017 stated that: There were no data collections returned (for United States Air Force Photo Surveillance Satellite KH-4A 1027). That NASA statement seems to contradict the statement Mr. Sheaffer recently proved in his brilliant critique whereby one of his sources indicated: The condition of the air recovered capsule was normal. Thus, I will probably investigate the capsule condition issue more. Thanks to Mr. Shaeffer, I now have some potentially valuable bits of new information to help me ferret out the true answer.

In closing, it seems as if Mr. Sheaffer may have missed or at least misread the sentence in my article that read: disinformation has been an integral part of the secret Corona program. Therefore, it is quite possible that even a witty gentleman such as Mr. Sheaffer may have been duped via disinformation. Since disinformation is a variable that figured heavily into my Kecksburg UFO research, I do not accept my recent findings as wrong—at least not yet. Disinformation is an area that must be investigated thoroughly in the Kecksburg UFO case. If it eventually turns out that Mr. Sheaffer was indeed hoodwinked by disinformation, it may help for him to remember that science is a process of becoming less wrong over time.

The UFO Chronicles.com article (Closing the Kecksburg UFO Case Opened Another Mystery) was based upon a whitepaper report that I developed and wrote. The title of that report is: KECKSBURG UFO WHITEPAPER REPORT: Closing the Kecksburg UFO Case Opened a New Mystery. The full whitepaper report is available on my website at: bobwenzelgross.com.

Thursday, February 04, 2016

Bad UFOs by Robert Sheaffer – A Review

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Bad UFOs

By Curt Collins
www.blueblurrylines.com
1-26-16

      Robert Sheaffer has been covering the UFO beat a long time, reading the literature, attending conferences, corresponding, debating with the players, and has become a part of its history. In the book,"Bad UFOs: Critical Thinking About UFO Claims," Sheaffer covers a range of UFO cases, topics and personalties from the dawn of the era, up to recent events. Frankly, some of which read like a hall of shame, and it could have been titled, UFOlogy’s Greatest Misses.” I can picture some scoundrels in UFOtown tearing through the pages, praying that their products and names aren’t in it. Sheaffer does mention a few good eggs along the way, “UFO realists,” but as the title suggests, he’s focused on the bad ones.

Robert Sheaffer, meanie. That’s what some UFO buffs have heard, and skeptics and debunkers are supposed to be attacking the very existence of UFOs, close-minded to the point of denying the truth, and rumor has it that some of them are even discrediting witnesses and evidence. Trace those tales to the source, and you’ll see they originated with phonies who didn’t want their carnival act exposed, people like Silas Newton, George Adamski and Jaime Maussan. The truth is more complicated, but then, that’s why so few people bother with it.

What many UFO/ET proponents fail to appreciate about skeptics and debunkers is that the devils are observing the same kind of claims about extraordinary things on a range of other topics, not just UFOs. There’s more in common with UFOs, Ghost, Bigfoot and Nessie than the ET camp would like to admit, and it lies in the seeker. It’s about the quest for something extraordinary, with belief driving the investigation. The big problem there is that they regularly accept insubstantial evidence if it bolsters their beliefs. Witness testimony is subject to great problems ranging from accuracy to authenticity, and the record of photo and physical evidence shows an alarmingly high tolerance for counterfeits. Sheaffer sees the absurdity and humor in the UFO circus, something the field seems incapable of seeing about itself. Worse, they seem incapable of dealing with frauds, and policing themselves. Like disgraced televangelists, if they have an apology or excuse, proven UFO scoundrels are welcomed back into the fold.

Bad UFOs - Table of Contents

One recurring theme in Sheaffer’s book is that a UFO claim surfaces, gets embraced by the ET camp, and then is fiercely defended against not only challenges to its authenticity, but even logical questions about it. They get sour when it falls flat, but they are willfully ignoring their own statistics. According to MUFON, 80 to 90% of UFO reports crumble after being investigated, the remnant serving to keep hope alive, designated as “unknowns.” By cherishing UFO stories before all the facts are in, frequent disappointments are assured.

Sheaffer holds up a mirror to the UFO circus, and many in it won’t like the picture. Where I disagree with Sheaffer is over the conclusion that the study of UFOs is futile. My personal opinion is that it ufology should work towards co-operating with existing astronomical and meteorological projects, instead of trying to re-invent or duplicate them. Sheaffer convincingly makes the case that the current value or purpose of UFO study is only self-perpetuation, promoting UFO beliefs: that there’s a mystery and behind it is ET visitation.

The book discusses several key cases, some in detail, others in passing, including famous sightings from Kenneth Arnold to Kenju Terauchi’s report of a giant spaceship to recent cases. In these, he points out the recurring problems with the evidence or the interpretation of it. So often, it comes down to stories, and looking at the alien abduction accounts from Betty and Barney Hill to Emma Woods, these incredible tales emerged through hypnosis. In other stories, like those of Roswell alien bodies and the conflicting claims at Rendlesham Forest, Sheaffer shows that many of the heavily-promoted UFO tales have plot holes, big black plot holes, big enough to swallow planet Nibru.

Chances are, if you are seeing this, you’ll read a UFO book or two this year, and “Bad UFOs” should be one of them. If you are used to taking UFO stories on faith alone, you may want to throw it across the room a few times. Instead, take one of the cases discussed and look up the documentation for it, and to see for yourself if the facts back up the legends you’ve been told about it. The cases that hold up to the challenges of skeptics are the one really worth pursuing.

About the UFOs being spacecraft, Sheaffer also reintroduces some hard scientific facts that many ET proponents don’t know, or choose to ignore about the overwhelming physical impracticality of interstellar space travel. Even folding or warping space seems out of the realm of possibility, and to make it work, something like magic must be needed. Just how are the visitors getting here? Perhaps believing is the key to seeing. Dr. Steven Greer can lead you through meditation to summon and communicate with ETI spacecraft. Sometimes, you won’t see them at first, but with patience, Greer can teach you how- for a price.

Sheaffer thinks that behind all the UFO stories, there’s nothing but cases of mistaken identity, wishful thinking and fraud. I hope he’s wrong, and that there is a rare, genuine phenomenon, whatever it is. I do agree, however, that the problems he discusses are severe and until UFOtown polices itself, it’ll remain a ghetto- or a ghost town.

Sunday, December 27, 2015

Niece of Betty Hill Refutes Newly Uncovered Document(s) Re Famous Abduction Case

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Barney & Betty Hill Witness UFO

Debunkers At It Again

By Kathleen Marden
The UFO Chronicles
12-26-15

     I received an email message from Andre Skondras on Christmas day informing me that debunker Robert Sheaffer, an associate of Philip Klass and longstanding member of CSI (formerly CSICOP) , had found a never before published letter allegedly written to Klass by Dr. Benjamin Simon. The letter dated March 1, 1976, was mailed by Klass to Betty in 1988. It spoke of Dr. Simon’s intent to “give the true story of the Betty and Barney Hill affair.” It is our opinion that Dr. Simon would not have stated that his untested, unproven conjectures were the truth. He was circumspect and professional in voicing his opinion. The intentions voiced in the letter would have been a violation of his contract with John Fuller and a violation of doctor-patient confidentiality. I had thought about publishing the letter in my book Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience, with Stanton Friedman, but decided not to, due to uncertainty about of the identity of the writer. Betty had marked "Forged Letter!” at the top of the letter. I have had it and other letters that Dr. Simon wrote to Betty examined by several individuals, including three who were close to Dr. Simon, and all believe it is probably a forgery. The style and phraseology were not characteristic of Dr. Simon's writing. An important piece of information is the fact that Dr. Simon signed a non-competition clause with John Fuller. He could not have legally written a book. It is doubtful that Klass would have known this. Dr. Simon was circumspect with regard to sharing his opinions about the Hill case, and it would have been highly uncharacteristic of him to opine or violate doctor-patient confidentiality.

Dr. Simon had always stated that he believed that the Hills had observed the UFO. But he speculated that Betty had repeated her dreams of ET contact while under hypnosis and that Barney (admittedly) overheard her talking about some of the content in her dreams to Walter Webb. All of this is discussed in Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience. Their amnesia extended only to the abduction experience itself. This is the only part of their experience that was recovered for the first time through hypnosis. My comparative analysis of the Hill's statements under hypnosis is in Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience. I lined up the Hill's separate statements to Dr. Simon, who reinstated amnesia after each individual's hypnosis session. Some of their memories were so frightening they couldn't be introduced into their consciousness immediately. Also, he took steps to avoid the contamination of one's memories with the others. I was originally skeptical about the abduction events, because some of Betty's memories were nearly identical to her dreams. Yet, Betty and Barney spoke of information that was not in her dream material and their statements were identical, including the number of non-human entities who were standing in a certain position. Sometimes their correlating statements contradicted the information in her dreams. Also, the ETs in her dreams were not at all like the ETs that she and Barney recalled after they were hypnotized.

With reference to Dr. Simon's statement on the Larry Glick Show (11/24/1975), he was again circumspect in his statement which I have transcribed as follows: "Barney and Betty gave the same story and this story was precisely like the story that was written by the NICAP investigator. There were no differences between the three. It was the same story they gave consciously. There was no difference. They both shared the same experience all the way. It had me in a bind and I was now faced with certain decisions that I couldn't make. I was faced with a story that was very fantastic. If this were real and true, I would have to believe that the supposed people were from outer space and having what everyone hopes we'll have and nobody has proved at all-visitation from outer space. I believed in their honesty. But the story was fantastic and unreal and had to be accepted or rejected."

We should also be cognizant that the original investigation documents indicate that Barney had conscious, continuous recall of observing figures on the craft that were "somehow not human". It is documented in Walter Webb's October 1961 NICAP report. Betty spoke of the figures in her letter to NICAP, dated September 26, 1961.

Betty’s dress was torn in several places and was damaged by a pink powdery substance that she later found on it; the tops of Barney’s best dress shoes were so deeply scraped that he was forced to purchase new shoes; their watches had stopped and never ran again; the leather strap on Barney’s binoculars was severed, and there were shiny spots on the trunk of the car that caused a compass needle to "spin and spin". Barney developed PTSD symptoms and a bleeding ulcer that would not recede with traditional medical treatment. With regard to Betty's dress, there was physical evidence that was examined in several scientific laboratories. Phyllis Budinger's report is on the Black Vault website. I have the other reports, including the first analysis from the University of Cincinnati's Chemistry Department. Mr. Sheaffer's speculation was debunked by Budinger.

Dr. Simon was under pressure from his peers with regard to making a decision to go down in history as the doctor who endorsed visitation from outer space or for the outstanding history he had as a neuro-psychiatrist. This information is at John Fuller's archival collection at Boston University.

I also read a statement that my mother, Betty's sister, had a serious interest in UFOs prior to the Hill’s event. This is an outright lie. The truth is that my mother observed a large, cigar shaped craft over a field in Kingston, NH, on her Friday night shopping trip back in 1958. It was a multiple witness sighting. She spoke of it immediately after it occurred, to my grandparents and Betty and Barney. Betty thought that it might be real, but Barney did not believe it could have been an unconventional craft. Period! There was no additional discussion until after September 19, 1961. This is confirmed on the hypnosis tapes. On the afternoon of September 20, 1961, I was shocked as I listened to my mother speak with Betty about her close encounter the previous evening. I had never heard my mother speak of a flying saucer prior to this.

In a letter to Betty dated December 8, 1966, Dr. Simon wrote to Betty, "I don't think any of the unanswered questions will be answered by dialectic discussions between 'believers' and 'non-believers' and I was happy to see that emphasized by Dr. Hynek in the articles, 'Are Flying Saucers Real?' which appeared in the 'Saturday Evening Post', December 17, 1966. I fully agree with Dr. Hynek in his point of view--and this is my point of view. Phenomena must be assessed and the excavation of little items such as Mr. Baller's data which he purported to have received from his daughter does no more than Menzel's production of phenomena which could explain U.F.O.s, nor Klass's electronic plasma. While these could explain the phenomena they do not explain your experiences, and I have steadily held that you probably did have an experience with the sighting."

I feel certain that this information will fall upon CSI members' deaf ears or perhaps trigger a backlash against me. Their minds are made up. I have no interest in engaging in dialectic discourse in which invective and pejorative are the means of evaluating data. Their mission is and always has been to destroy the Hill's credibility.

I have copied Betty's draft of her reply to Phil Klass below. Below that you'll find a copy a letter with Dr. Simon’s positive statements toward the Hills. Sheaffer requested proof that my statements are true, so here it is. This letter refutes some of the allegations made by debunkers pertaining to Dr. Simon's Freudian statements about Betty's intrusive "needle" procedure and the fact that he has never offered an opinion to Fate magazine.

Letter To Phil Klass From Betty Hill 4-22-1988

Letter To Betty Hill From Dr Benjamin Simon (pg 1)  12-8-1966

Letter To Betty Hill From Dr Benjamin Simon (pg 2)  12-8-1966

Friday, June 26, 2015

UFO Community Members Weigh in on Dubious MUFON Speakers


Jack Brewer By Jack Brewer
ufotrail.blogspot.com/
6-25-15

"We hope to bridge the gap between science and ufology. They're one in the same."

- MUFON International Director Jan Harzan, 'Las Vegas Sun'

     Concerns were expressed in the wake of the Roswell Slides debacle about organizations such as the Mutual UFO Network continuing to promote those who supported and enabled the empty claims surrounding the alleged slides. Don Schmitt was quickly back in the spotlight at a recent MUFON PA event, for instance, and beWITNESS promoter Jaime Maussan was invited to speak at the upcoming 2015 MUFON Symposium. MUFON WI Assistant State Director and Chief Investigator Mark O'Connell subsequently urged the organization to remove Maussan from the list of speakers. He also requested MUFON ban Maussan and Schmitt from future events, along with their slides colleagues Tom Carey, Richard Dolan and Anthony Bragalia. It seems Adam Dew has relatively removed himself from ufology, at least as compared to his beWITNESS associates and for the time being.

Further consideration reveals the challenges to be common and merely among the latest of what is relatively standard operating procedure concerning the low quality of speakers and information typically offered. MUFON and the North American UFO community in particular have systemic problems of credibility and poor quality of information circulated, as observable in not only the invitation extended to Jaime Maussan to speak at the annual MUFON conference, but the additional inclusion of such questionable figures as Paul Hellyer. Many people particularly object to the circumstances in light of the organization's claim to be dedicated to the scientific study of UFOs, an assertion now so widely taken for granted as false that it no longer even generates significant discussion.

Adding insult to injury is an upcoming MUFON PA event in which the keynote speaker is yet another dubious figure, Dr. David Jacobs, who, as of this blog post, quite questionably continues to claim to be a "strong advocate of strict scientific and ethical research methodology." Trouble is that if those claims were to be taken any more seriously than the underachieved MUFON mission statement, Jacobs has been repeatedly shown to fail miserably at actually implementing such purported advocacy into his own work. The retired historian's so-called investigations were conclusively demonstrated to be extremely ethically questionable and completely absent scientific merit. Nonetheless, MUFON is opting to roll out the red carpet and present him with a lifetime achievement award, as if it had no knowledge of either the actual definition of science or Jacobs' confirmed actions, detrimental to both his research subjects and the quality of the genre's collective body of information.

Several members of the UFO community were recently contacted and asked to submit comment on the above circumstances for inclusion in this blog post. Following are their most appreciated contributions. . . .

Thursday, January 15, 2015

“… No Correlation Between … UFO Reports and U-2 Flights”

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“… No Correlation Between … UFO Reports and U-2 Flights”

CIA About UFOs of the 1950s and '60s:
'It Was Us'


By Leonard David
Space.com
1-14-15


"One thing this CIA UFO claim has accomplished:
It has united UFO skeptics and proponents in proclaiming it untrue"

      Many of the unidentified flying objects (UFOs) spotted by people in the middle of the last century were actually high-flying spy planes, officials from the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency say.

On Dec. 29, CIA officials said the following via Twitter: "#1 most read on our ‪#Bestof2014list: Reports of unusual activity in the skies in the '50s? It was us. "Attached to the tweet was a PDF of "The CIA and the U-2 Program, 1954-1974," a report about the United States' manned U-2 spy plane written by agency historians and published in 1998.

That document notes that "high-altitude testing of the U-2 soon led to an unexpected side effect — a tremendous increase in reports of unidentified flying objects (UFOs)." . . .

. . . The CIA tweet has sparked its own UFO flap: Several analysts dispute the CIA assertion that U-2 flights really caused upward of half of UFO sightings.

"One thing this CIA UFO claim has accomplished: It has united UFO skeptics and proponents in proclaiming it untrue," Robert Sheaffer, author and well-known UFO cynic, wrote in a blog post last week. "We might agree on little else, except that this claim is nonsense."

Sheaffer explains that the Project Blue Book files are now public records, allowing anyone to verify when and where sightings were reported.

"The bottom line is: There is absolutely no correlation between the times and places of UFO reports and U-2 flights," he wrote. . . .

Monday, February 03, 2014

Skeptic Robert Sheaffer Solves Famous “UFO” Sighting Case: Nuclear Missile Guards Were Terrified by the Planet Mars


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By Robert Hastings
www.ufohastings.com
2-1-14

     Or so the debunker claims. Sheaffer’s latest attempt to explain away all UFO sightings as misidentifications of man-made aircraft or astronomical objects, including bright planets, focuses on the now-well-known Oscar Flight case at Malmstrom AFB, Montana, on March 24, 1967. That incident involved the mechanical failure of several Minuteman-I nuclear missiles occurring just as a large, glowing, disc-shaped object briefly hovered above the entrance to the Oscar Flight Launch Control Facility—according to one of the U.S. Air Force launch officers on alert that night.

Capt. Robert Salas
Former U.S. Air Force Captain Robert Salas has stated that Air Force security police at the site were panicked by the UFO’s looming presence—the head guard estimated the object’s diameter at 30 to 40-feet—and one of them was physically injured during the encounter.

Decades later, in 1996, Salas finally located and telephoned the other launch officer who had been on alert during the incident, retired Colonel Frederick Meiwald, and tape recorded the conversation. An excerpt:
RS: I remember receiving a call first and the security guard said, ‘I’ve seen some UFOs up here flying around,’ and I said, ‘Ah, forget it.’ I didn’t believe him. I kinda hung up on him. And then, a little while later—I don’t know how long it was, maybe five, ten minutes, maybe longer—[he] called back and the guy sounded real scared and said there was [a UFO] just outside the front gate. And he also said, I recall, that one of the other guards had gotten injured in some way. I don’t think it was from the UFO; I think it was from trying to climb the fence or something like that. And then I hung up, or he hung up because he had to go—his guard got injured—and then I, I believe you were either getting up or I woke you up—and then some of our missiles started shutting down. Is that right?

FM: Uh huh.

RS: Is that about how you remember it?

FM: Right. We had security alarms and—

RS: Yeah.

FM: —and problems at a couple of the [missile] sites.

RS: Yeah, okay, okay. Well, I’m sure glad I found you. [Were there] any reports from the field about UFOs?

FM: I remember that two guards that we had [sent] out to one of the sites and finally got back scared to death and we had to relieve them of duty.

RS: Yeah. [Pause] Oh, you mean our guards?!

FM: Yeah.

RS: Oh, I [had forgotten] that.

FM: Yeah, a roving patrol type—

RS: Oh, I see—

FM: —and had gone out to one of the sites, the LFs, and on the way back they lost radio contact and we ended up having to send them back to the base early—I’m not sure what happened but I don’t think they ever returned to guard duty.
Colonel Fred Meiwald
On May 6, 2011, an obviously uneasy Colonel Meiwald reluctantly elaborated on his earlier remarks to Salas during a taped telephone conversation with me, excerpted here:
FM: I know that Bob [Salas] has relayed what happened at Oscar very accurately...I think it would be best if I said no more.

RH: Okay. But you will at least confirm that there were reports from the Security Alert Team of a UFO at the LF they were out at, is that correct?

FM: Yes!

RH: Okay, and it was quite clear that object was saucer-shaped—or do you recall what the description was, other than it being a UFO or a flying saucer? Do you have any sense of what they reported to you?

FM: All I remember is a bright object; a bright, flying object at low-level. Beyond that, I can’t say.

RH: But they were terribly frightened by their experience?

FM: They were upset and were directed to come back to the LCF.

RH: Okay, and I believe you said in your letter [to Salas dated October 1, 1996] that they were so frightened that they actually had to go [back to Malmstrom] early; they couldn’t complete—

FM: Well, one man I know was directed to go back to the base, at least one of them was—

RH: Okay, and—

FM: —Whether or not they flew a special helicopter out there to get him or not, I don’t recall that, but I know that he did go back to the base a very upset individual.
Meiwald readily admitted to me that he had been on a rest break when the first UFO appeared at the launch control facility and the missiles began malfunctioning. However, once Salas woke him up, he was completely aware of, and involved in, subsequent events—including being sworn to secrecy about the incident:
RH: Okay. Do you remember, well, you’re willing to confirm, as Bob has said, that your debriefing was in the presence of an [Office of Special Investigations] agent? Is that correct?

FM: That did take place.

RH: And you were required to sign non-disclosure statements about the incident?

FM: Right.
In summary, the two officers who were on alert in the underground Oscar Flight Launch Control Center have confirmed a bona fide UFO-presence during the dramatic events occurring that night, as well as the terrified reaction of a number of security guards who actually saw the objects in the sky. Of course, none of these facts will sway debunker Robert Sheaffer whose observation-of-Mars hypothesis is offered as the most likely explanation for the incident.

Sheaffer writes, “A bright, glowing orange UFO is allegedly seen over the base by security men, and then the Oscar Flight missiles were said to start going off-line, one by one. So let's examine that specific claim. Guards reported seeing a bright glowing orange object in the sky...Whenever witnesses report a bright object in the sky that is red or orange, the first thing to check is whether Mars might have been the culprit. Mars only appears conspicuously bright from earth for a period of a few months every two years. Sure enough, this was one of those times. Mars was only about 3 weeks away from its opposition of April 15, 1967, when it would be directly opposite the sun, and at its maximum brightness until the next opposition 26 months later. It would rise a few hours after sunset, and remain in the sky the rest of the night. The guards were very likely looking at Mars.”

One can recreate the sky on the night of March 24/25, 1967 at www.fourmilab.ch. To see the rising of Mars above the SE horizon, input the latitude and longitude of the Oscar Flight Launch Control Facility, located just east of Roy, Montana (47-degrees N and 109-degrees W will be close enough) and set the Universal Time to 1967-03-25 4:38:00 (which is 1967-03-24 9:38:00 p.m. Local Time).

As the Earth rotated that night, the planet moved into the southern sky and then the southwestern sky before setting below the SW horizon around 1967-03-25 13:38:00 UT (or 6:38 a.m. Local).

In short, Mars traveled from the southeastern to the southern to the southwestern sky that night. Unfortunately for Sheaffer’s Mars-as-UFO theory, the guard who excitedly reported the large, glowing disc-shaped object to Salas on the telephone had to be looking NNW, which is where the launch control facility’s front gate was, relative to his assigned post in the Launch Control Support Building. Given that Mars was never visible in the northern sky at any time that night, it could not possibly account for the UFO sighting, despite Sheaffer’s claims to the contrary.

Oscar Flight Launch Control Facility, out side of Roy, Montana.
Oscar Flight Launch Control Facility, out side of Roy, Montana. (Click image to enlarge)

Launch Control Facility (LCF)_with security post denoted.
Launch Control Facility (LCF)_with security post denoted. (Click image to enlarge)

Once again, the frightened guard, who was screaming into the phone, had told Salas that the UFO was hovering just beyond the gate. Later, after the object left, he told Salas that it was 30 to 40-feet in diameter and that one of the guards was so terrified by its presence that he had apparently injured himself while climbing the barb-wire-topped security fence to get away.

I don’t plan to discuss at length the absurd notion that Mars, or any other planet, even at its brightest, could be mistaken for a 30 to 40-foot hovering disc-shaped object. Sheaffer and his ilk have always been able to engage in such reality-detached mental gymnastics—given their need to explain away the UFO phenomenon as misidentified prosaic objects at any cost—and nothing I can say will ever change that.

But what about the other UFO that was sighted by the frightened Security Alert Team as it hovered near one of the missile silos later that night? Could Mars have been the culprit in that instance, at least in the hopelessly biased mind of Sheaffer and those who think like him?

Given that Col. Meiwald has described the missile silo where the second UFO was observed as being “located just east of Highway 19”, only two sites qualify: Oscar-04 and Oscar-06. To travel between the launch control facility and either of these sites the two-man team would have first gone north on the LCF’s access road, then east on Route 191 until it intersected with Route 19. Oscar-04 is located just east of that junction, meaning that if the reported UFO was at that site, the panicky men would have been looking nearly due East when they were observing it.

But according to the astronomical data cited above, Mars was not in the Eastern sky at any time that night. And, even if it had been, the likelihood that the Red Planet would have thrown the security team into a panic, requiring actual hospitalization for one of the guards, is remote in the extreme. (Although Robert Sheaffer would probably argue otherwise.)

If, on the other hand, the object was above Oscar-06, the SAT team would have turned south onto Route 19 to reach it and the UFO would have appeared SSE of their position as they approached the launch facility. Hey, in this case, Mars may have actually appeared somewhere in the sky above the silo as they travelled toward it. But, again, the possibility that a bright planet was the cause of the team’s terror is highly unlikely, to say the least.

Significantly, Robert Sheaffer conveniently fails to mention is that another USAF veteran, former Captain Robert Jamison has substantiated Salas’ testimony regarding a UFO-related, full-flight shutdown at Oscar Flight. (Although Meiwald later recalled 6-8 missiles going off alert status, Salas has long said that he remembered all ten going down. In light of Jamison’s input, it appears that he was correct on this point.)

At the time of the incident, Jamison had been a Minuteman targeting officer who, along with other Combat Targeting Team members, was involved in retargeting the stricken missiles at Oscar Flight. He has said, repeatedly and on-camera, that his briefers told him and the other targeters that “UFOs had been messing with the missiles” before they left the base. Jamison provided all of this information to me during an interview in 1992, some three years before Salas went public with his own revelations.

Actually, as difficult as it will be for some people to accept, the event at Oscar Flight was not all that unusual. Thousands of declassified U.S. government documents refer to UFO activity at nuclear weapons sites—including laboratories, storage depots, test and deployment sites—extending back to December 1948. A small cross-section of those U.S. Air Force, FBI and CIA files may be reviewed at www.ufohastings.com/documents.

Over the past 41 years, I have located and interviewed more than 140 U.S. military veterans who were directly or indirectly involved in one or more of those cases, including incidents at nuclear missile sites where the ICBMs mysteriously malfunctioned just as a disc-shaped aerial craft hovered near them. Affidavits issued by some of those witnesses—including former Minuteman missile launch and targeting officers—are available at the link above.

On September 27, 2010, seven of the veterans discussed a few of these cases at the UFOs and Nukes press conference in Washington D.C., which CNN streamed live. (See below). The event was also covered, mostly favorably, by mainstream media all over the globe.


UFO debunkers have for years attempted to dismiss the reality of these incidents, often claiming that my book and articles on the subject merely present my “theory” about UFO incursions at nuclear weapons sites. Actually, all I have done is to accurately present the contents of the now-publicly-available documents and the tape recorded testimony of the military witnesses who were involved, all of which demonstrate—beyond a reasonable doubt—a pattern of ongoing UFO activity at nuclear weapons sites over the past six decades.

Robert Sheaffer cites other “evidence” in his article to support the claim that there was no UFO activity at Oscar Flight by quoting former USAF missileer and skeptic Tim Hebert. Even though Hebert was not present for the incident, or any of the other UFO events discussed by my many ex-missileer sources, he has concluded that the UFO-Nukes Connection is non-existent and that all of his former Air Force colleagues who have publicly discussed dramatic UFO incursions at one Strategic Air Command base or another during the Cold War are, at best, misguided.

Hebert also maintains that I have “used” these witnesses for my own allegedly nefarious purposes. I won’t repeat here what those former missileers have said about Hebert to me in confidence, but I recently “used” seven of those ex-military sources again, when I interviewed them for the documentary film I am currently producing. As I have previously mentioned in various articles, all of these gentlemen have repeatedly and profusely thanked me over the years for my dogged efforts to get the facts out, despite the resistance I have encountered in some quarters.

To support his skeptical argument regarding the Oscar Flight incident, Hebert cites the 341st Missile Wing’s official history, which makes no mention of it, as if the ICBM shutdown event never happened. However, both officers on alert that night have said that they were told by an OSI agent that their event was classified Secret. Still-classified material would never appear in a wing history. Hebert knows this, or should know it, so his distorted commentary is most curious. Given that this problematic fact doesn’t mesh with his own skeptical thesis, he has apparently decided to ignore it.

Sheaffer also cites as evidence the demonstrably false pronouncements of James Carlson, the notorious, wild-eyed debunker who has made it a point of calling me and Bob Salas “liars and frauds” hundreds of times in his blog posts. Carlson’s father, Eric, was at another missile flight, Echo, when those missiles shut down, on March 16, 1967, eight days prior to the Oscar Flight incident. James can’t abide the fact that Salas and I have his father’s former missile commander, retired Col. Walter Figel, admitting on audio tape that there was indeed a UFO reported to him during that incident.

Although Carlson incessantly misrepresents—that is, lies about—what Figel has said regarding the Echo Flight case, one may listen to Figel’s comments to me on the matter—including the serious nature of the initial sighting report, the corroboration of the presence of “a large, round object” hovering over an Echo missile silo by security teams sent out to assess the situation, and the debriefing that occurred afterwards when Figel and James’ father were told never to discuss the incident—all of which Robert Sheaffer carefully avoids mentioning in his article. A brief excerpt follows here:
RH: What was the demeanor of the guard you were talking to?

WF: Um, you know, I wouldn’t say panicked, or anything [like that]. I was thinking he was yanking my chain more than anything else.

RH:: But he seemed to be serious to you?

WF: He seemed to be serious and I wasn’t taking him seriously.

RH: Alright. If it was a large object, did he describe the shape of the object?

WF: He just said a large round object.

RH: Directly over the LF?

WF: Directly over the site.
When I telephoned the elder Carlson in October 2008, to discuss the incident, he denied knowing about any UFO reports at Echo Flight, something that elicited this response from Col. Figel when I brought it to his attention:
RH: Uh, did you discuss the report with Mr. Carlson—that you were being told that there was a UFO at one of the sites?

WF: Um, he could hear it, uh, I mean he was sitting right there, two feet away from me—

RH: So—

WF: Whatever I said, he would have heard.
Despite Eric Carlson’s now-untenable insistence that there were no reports of UFO activity at Echo that day, when I asked him why his son James is so clearly out-of-control when attacking me and Bob Salas, Eric candidly replied, “James has some problems”. Moreover, in another telephone conversation with a colleague of mine, also in October 2008, Eric expressed concern that James might “have a nervous breakdown”.

Indeed, a great many people have responded to James Carlson’s manic online rants about Echo and Oscar with astonishment, regardless of their position on UFOs. One of his strongest supporters once called him excitable, which is putting it mildly. Carlson’s behavior may be due to his epilepsy, a brain-related syndrome associated with abnormal psychological manifestations in many of its sufferers. (Google “Epilepsy and Mental Illness” to review scores of scientific papers on the subject).

Regardless, although Robert Sheaffer cites James Carlson as a reliable source of information on the Echo and Oscar Flight incidents, a careful review of Col. Walter Figel’s recorded comments about Echo and Col. Frederick Meiwald’s recorded comments about Oscar, will expose the utterly false nature of Carlson’s many claims.

In conclusion, Robert Sheaffer’s latest article will appeal to his usual audience—persons who have already decided that UFOs don’t exist and are unwilling to take the time to investigate the facts, in an objective manner, or to listen to the
testimony of witnesses directly involved in the most important cases, such as the ICBM-related incidents. No surprise there.

Meanwhile, I am happy to report, two documentary films on the subject of UFO activity at nuclear weapons sites will be out before the end of the year, as will the German and Spanish editions of my book UFOs and Nukes (the Portuguese edition was published in Brazil last October). In short, efforts to educate people everywhere about the reality of the UFO phenomenon’s link to nuclear weapons are proceeding nicely, thank you.


See Also:

The Echo Flight ICBM Incident: Retired USAF Officer Confirms Receiving A UFO Report Just as the Missiles Failed

The Echo/Oscar Witch Hunt

My Evidence: The Account of Minute-Man Missiles Being Disabled, While UFOs Hovered Over The Launch Facilities

Telephonic Interview with Colonel Walter Figel (USAF Ret) of March 8, 2010 (Link 1)

Telephonic Interview with Colonel Walter Figel (USAF Ret) of January 8, 2009 (Link 2)

Telephonic Interview with Colonel Walter Figel (USAF Ret) of October 20, 2008 (Link 3)

VIDCAST: Former Boeing Engineer, Robert Kaminski Confirms UFO Activity at Echo Flight Missile Launch Control Facility in 1967

Malmstrom Air Force Base Picks Up UFO on Radar; "Sabotage Alert Team Located Another UFO Directly Over The Base"

UFO Lands Near Minuteman Missile Base; Affects Radio Transmissions - Defensive Measures Taken!

UFO Sightings at ICBM Sites and Nuclear Weapons Storage Areas

Air Force Staff Message: Malmstrom AFB Receives Multiple Reports of UFOs in The Great Falls, Montana Area

UFOS & NUKES | U.S. Air Force Fighters Chased UFOs at Malmstrom AFB in the 1960s and ‘70s

Whatever It Is The Air Force Must-Hunt For The Flying Saucer

UFOs & NUKES | Missile Shut Down at Malmstrom Confirmed By (Civilian) Veteran of Minuteman Program

UFOs & NUKES | UFOs Have Penetrated Restricted Air Space Over Nuclear Missile Sites; Jammed Vital Electronic Equipment & Eluded Fighter Aircraft





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Thursday, August 22, 2013

The Great UFO Debate: Stanton Friedman vs Robert Sheaffer | VIDEO


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By thirdphaseofmoon
8-15-13


     The Godfather of ufology, Stanton Friedman debated famed skeptic & debunker Robert Sheaffer on the important topic of are extraterrestrials visiting earth? Moderated by Thirdphaseofmoon founder, Blake Cousins & host Dr. J. Andy Ilias, this debate got heated at times. What do you, the listener believe? Are they here? Have they been?