Showing posts with label Scott and Suzanne Ramsey. Show all posts
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Saturday, July 26, 2014

Interview with Scott & Suzanne Ramsey, authors of “The Aztec Incident — Recovery at Hart Canyon”

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The Aztec Incident (Front Cover with Scott & Suzanne)

      Scott & Suzanne Ramsey, authors of “The Aztec Incident — Recovery at Hart Canyon” sit down with Leigh Black Irvin, host of the Roving with The Arts radio show at San Juan College (New Mexico) radio station KSJE 90.9 FM for an in-depth interview.

Saturday, June 02, 2012

1948 Aztec New Mexico Incident



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By Dennis Balthaser
www.truthseekeratroswell.com
6-1-12
     The Aztec Incident occurred in March 1948, just 8 months after the Roswell Incident, and based on information now available it appears the government and military had learned from their mistakes at Roswell. Aztec had no newspaper or radio reports as Roswell did, when the Incident happened, which then had to be covered up and excuses given for the next 65 years.

Over the years since Aztec happened there has been very little information forthcoming, in fact there were only 2 books published about the event, again unlike Roswell. The first was Frank Scully’s, “Behind the Flying Saucers”, published in September 1950. The second book was co-written by William Steinman and Wendelle Stevens entitled, “UFO Crash at Aztec”, and published in 1986. Both of those books created controversy, and created more questions than answers. Who was the mysterious “Dr. Gee”, how could a 99’ diameter craft be moved from the site to a secure location, and was the whole incident the work of con-men as many debunkers and critics have argued? There lies a similarity to Roswell in that debunkers and critics don’t normally do the research required, as was the case with Karl Pflock and Dave Thomas, who were two of the most vocal debunkers of the Aztec Incident.

Finally in 2012 a third book has been published, co-authored by Scott and Suzanne Ramsey, entitled, “The Aztec Incident, Recovery at Hart Canyon”, ISBN 978-0-9850046-0-6 (left). The unending research, travel to archives, witness interviews and expenses encountered by the Ramsey’s have finally answered some of the questions we have all had about Aztec over the years. When Scott began his research some 25 years ago he assumed he would be able to prove or disprove the Aztec Incident within a few months. That didn’t happen and the more he delved into the facts about Aztec the more questions were raised. During his many trips to Aztec he met and finally married Suzanne, who became his co-author, and together they have compiled a book full of factual information, (with documentation to support their findings), that will have many taking another look at the 1948 Aztec Incident.


The town of Aztec had noticed the notoriety Roswell was getting with the annual Roswell Festival, and decided to start their own annual symposium in an attempt to raise money for a new library. I was invited to speak at the first symposium held in Aztec in 1998 (the 50th anniversary of the event.) Since then I have attended at least 8 of the annual events as either a speaker or Master of Ceremonies, and it was at these symposiums that I met Scott and Suzanne Ramsey and became seriously interested in the Aztec Incident. Like many others having read the first two books published I had many questions about whether Aztec was a real event or not. Working with the Ramsey’s and others, discussing witnesses, visiting the crash site in Hart Canyon and other research we’ve done together, I soon became convinced that the Ramsey’s were in fact revealing new information not previously known. Their “Aztec Incident” book lays to rest many of the questions that have been asked over the years.


The Aztec Symposium began growing with attendance increasing every year, primarily due to the well-known researchers that were invited to speak each year at the annual event. The list of speakers invited to Aztec was like a “who’s who” of Ufology and the Aztec symposium became one of the most popular in the country, reaching a point where consideration was given to moving it to Farmington, a larger town a few miles west of Aztec that could facilitate the ever-increasing crowds.

Not all city fathers in Aztec supported the annual event, however through the friends of the Library a new library was built which the town of Aztec can be proud of. Recently someone now responsible for inviting speakers, decided to change the type researchers invited leaning more toward the paranormal types. That resulted in a reduction in the number of people attending, and last year an announcement was made that the annual Aztec symposium would no longer take place. Scott and Suzanne Ramsey, Randy Barnes, myself and a few others devoted a lot of hours over the years to make the Aztec symposium an event visitors looked forward to, and researchers such as Stanton Friedman, Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Ted Phillips, Timothy Good and many others were an important part of making Aztec a respectable conference where serious researchers were able to share their knowledge with a receptive audience.

Reading through the Ramsey’s book, one gets an appreciation for the hours of work involved in writing such an account. It contains many pages of government documents and correspondence, in addition to the travel involved to 26 states, universities, military archives and witnesses interviewed. This was not a couple of months project as Scott had anticipated originally, but rather a devotion to finding factual information with verification to determine if the Aztec Incident was a true event in 1948. I believe the Ramsey’s (pictured above) have accomplished that, revealing information for the first time pertaining to different aspects of the Incident, which leave little doubt in the minds of the reader that Aztec was a real event, covered up by the military and government much better than the Roswell Incident had been when it happened 8 months earlier.

It appears that the mysterious “Dr. Gee” was in fact at least 8 different scientists combined under that one name. Moving the craft was thoroughly researched using an expert that had years of experience in moving large loads, determining the proper route, and considering the equipment that would have been available in 1948. The so-called con men referred to by many of the debunkers in the first two books is thoroughly discussed and explained as nothing more then a retaliation by a J.P. Cahn to get even with people for not allowing him to print the Aztec story. Radar sites basically unknown to the public were discovered within a reasonable distance of Hart Canyon and operational in 1948. Many of the first hand witnesses testimony revealed in this book, refers to oil field workers, law enforcement officers, a preacher, and others who were at the site at Hart Canyon in 1948, and saw the bodies inside the craft, and then sworn to secrecy by the military.

“The Aztec Incident” book is a must read and leaves no doubt that a craft came down in Hart Canyon a few miles east of Aztec New Mexico in March 1948, basically undamaged, containing bodies, was taken apart and transported off of the mesa, and remains covered up to this day, 64 years later.

The Aztec Incident: Recovery at Hart Canyon | A Review By Kevin Randle


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The Aztec Incident: Recovery at Hart Canyon

By Kevin Randle
A Different Perspective
5-30-12
     The Aztec Incident, Scott and Suzanne Ramsey, Aztec.48 Productions, Mooresville, NC, 221 pages, no index.

Let me say first that this was a fun book to read. I have been aware of the alleged Aztec UFO crash almost from the moment that I became interested in UFOs. I remember, while still in high school so many years ago, reading J. P. Cahn’s expose of the story in a back issue of True. I was especially interested because I was living in Aurora, Colorado which is, of course, right next door to Denver (and in fact, when most people ask about it I say Denver unless they are familiar with the area), and Denver had a prominent role in the original story.

That said, I found the book somewhat disappointing, but that might be a result of hearing, for the last several years, about a new investigation that had uncovered new and important clues. I had heard about new witnesses to the crash and new information that should be quite persuasive for those with an open mind.

There are two new first-hand witnesses, both no longer available for interview. One of them, Doug Noland, tells a robust tale, but is slightly contaminated because he approached William Steinman who wrote about the Aztec crash in the mid-1980s. While it certainly makes sense for a witness who knows something about the case to come forward, it isn’t as clear cut as if the Ramseys found him through investigation and there is nothing in the book to tell us that.

To make it worse, Noland’s tale mirrors part of the Frank Scully story as reported by Scully in Behind the Flying Saucers. Scully wrote of Dr. Gee and the scientists who watched the crashed saucer for two days before they approached and how, with a pole poked through a small hole in a porthole, tripped a switch that opened the craft.

In fact, the Ramseys go out of their way to avoid much of what Scully reported about the Aztec crash, seeming to ignore Scully’s first, tongue-in-cheek references in his newspaper column, the crashes in other parts of the United States and the world, or that the crew had been dressed in garb reminiscent of the 1890s, but they all had perfect teeth.

Anyway, Noland claimed, and the Ramseys reported, that those on the scene, including workers for the El Paso Oil Company, and an apparent horde of other on-lookers, climbed all over the craft. It was Bill Ferguson, a friend of Noland’s, who used the pole to probe the broken porthole, opening the ship.

It was sometime after that, after Noland and his pals got a look inside, that the military arrived. True, there were some police on the scene early, but they did nothing to dissuade the civilians from their close examinations. But Noland’s tale about the scene differs in these ways, from that told by Scully.

One of the policemen identified is Manuel Sandoval, who was from Cuba, New Mexico, not all that far from Aztec. The problem here is that the Ramseys did not interview Sandoval, though you wouldn’t know that from the book, and it was only a distant relative who suggested that he had heard Sandoval talk about the UFO crash.

The other first-hand witness, Ken Farley, came down to the Aztec area to pick up a friend and saw all the commotion. The friend with Farley, who is never identified, saw the craft and the bodies but the reason for being in the area is a little farfetched.

There is the tale of Virgil Riggs (though on a copy of orders published show the name spelled Virgel... but then, these sorts of things often contain misspellings), who lived in Aztec as a kid, heard the stories of the crash, but saw nothing himself. His own father didn’t believe it happened, but Riggs ran into a fellow while serving in the Air Force in England who had seen it all. This fellow airman, named Donald Bass but who was called Sam, told a first-hand tale, but Bass was dead, according to family, killed by a hit-and-run driver in Vietnam.

The Ramseys didn’t check out that story, and not being Vietnam Veterans themselves, probably didn’t realize that there are many such tales floating around. It took me about a minute to find a web site based on the names on the Vietnam Memorial that listed every American service member who died there. No one named Bass was killed in a hit-and-run in Vietnam and no one who served in the Air Force named Bass died in Vietnam. Clearly the story told to the Ramseys was untrue.

There were some other similar problems. There are many documents in the book, but there is little explanation about them, and some clearly have nothing to do with the Aztec case. One of them that I think of as the Hoover memo, is a handwritten note by Hoover that mentions "...full access to discs recovered. For instance, in the La case the Army grabbed it..."

But this is a reference to the Shreveport, Louisiana hoax of July 1947 and has nothing to do with Aztec. And, since it refers to a hoax, it does nothing to support any crashed disk recovery, regardless of location or time frame.

That is the real problem here, which is information is thrown at the reader, but some of it is irrelevant and some of it unexplained. That detracts from the overall message of the book, which is that Aztec is a real UFO crash.

Although the Ramseys fail to prove the point, this is an amusing book. For those interested in UFO crashes, or the whole Scully story, this provides an interesting take on it. The evidence is very weak and certainly does not overcome the baggage of the Aztec case. For historical purposes, this is an interesting book. For evidence of a crash, it fails to convince.

Sunday, July 12, 2009

Smith Mountain Lake UFO Conference Mariners Landing Resort and Conference Center Huddleston, Virginia

Smith Mountain UFO Conference
A Review

By Suzanne Ramsey
7-10-09

Suzanne RamseyScott & Suzanne Ramsey     Last month my husband Scott and I attended and spoke at the Smith Mountain Lake UFO Conference. Here are a few notes I jotted down in reference to this conference and thought you might enjoy reading them.

We have know the hosts of this conference, Rob and Sue Swiatek for several years and always enjoy our time with them, so when invited us to the conference, we were excited to attend.

The conference was intimate in size, but mighty in talent. Each speaker brought new information to the table.

Rob SwiatekRob Swiatek is a fascinating person as well as a speaker. Having been involved with aeronautics, astronautics and UFO’s in both official and non-official capacities since he was young, Rob brings a comprehensive look at UFO’s as few others can. This particular lecture covered a historical comparison of several countries and their methods of documenting UFO Sightings. Rob has the ability to help us step back and see the “big picture” at the same time paying careful attention to details.

Cameron PackCameron Pack – this young man knocked our socks off. His introduction to the world of UFO’s began with a sighting that he and a friend had experienced. This moved Cameron to go to his local police department in Virginia Beach, Virginia and ask for any records that they had on UFO Sightings in the area. The police department handed the reports over to him. Cameron combed over and over the reports, with each one his interest in the topic deepened. In time, he began noticing commonalities and distinctions in the reports. This led him to back track information leads him to some exciting conclusions.

We look forward to see more information from Cameron as he has now broadened his research interest to additional sightings outside of his living vicinity.

(On a personal note, it was nice to see a young person with the concern for accuracy that Cameron is showing. Although I’m sure that there are others that are serious researchers, many seem to be focused on what they can pull up on the internet or hear say, which may be entertaining, but not necessarily truth. John Greenwalde is another young man who fits in to the category of truth seeker.) Keep up the good work gentlemen.

Antonio HuneeusAntonio Huneeus- Although we had long been admirers of Antonio’s UFO Research, neither Scott or I had ever met or seen his presentation before. What an absolutely brilliant man! This multi lingual, international traveler has researched and documented UFO sightings worldwide. Antonio has seen the highs and lows of the study of UFO through out his life time taking him as far as the United Nations on behalf of Ufology. A bonus is he is able to overcome language and cultural barriers that give a more accurate experience.

If you have an chance to see him lecture of visit with him, DO NOT MISS the opportunity.

Sue SwiatekSusan Swiatek began her interest in UFO’s as a child and the interest continues. Currently she is the MUFON Virginia State Director and is active with the Fund for UFO Research. Susan shared actual case information and interviews that she has investigated in Virginia. The statistics and details she shared were great, but it doesn’t began to describe the delightful person that she is. Susan has a balance of brains and fun that is difficult to find. Plus…she was the hostess with the mostess for the conference. (Thanks again, Susan!)

Granville AngellGranville Angell- His lecture was on “Are we prepared to know the truth about our shared universe? Cover-up persists: thoughts on why”.

Granville is a deeply caring man who focuses on our health and well-being in preparation for contact with alien beings and other worldly forces. Granville asks questions, gives tools and examples of keeping a spiritual balance when dealing with Ufology. Step by step he walks you in a gentle manner down a path of light.

Scott and Suzanne Ramsey- I didn’t see this presentation, (Ha! Ha!) We created an informal setting where we could interact with the audience very closely. This was a rare opportunity for a closeness with the group that opened up some great questions and conversation.

This was a late evening presentation and although we were all saturated with great information from the speakers all day long, we could have easily spoken another hour about the Crash/Landing of 1948 in Aztec, New Mexico.

Tuesday, April 28, 2009

SMITH MOUNTAIN LAKE UFO CONFERENCE
THIS SATURDAY, MAY 2ND, 2009!

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IT'S TIME FOR THE
SMITH MOUNTAIN LAKE UFO CONFERENCE
SATURDAY, MAY 2ND, 2009!
ONE SPECIAL DAY 9:30AM TO 9:30PM

At Beautiful Mariner's Landing Resort & Conference Center

Huddleston, VA
~~ Near Lynchburg & Roanoke ~~


COME JOIN US IN A MAGICAL PLACE AND EXPLORE THE MYSTERY OF UFOs!
$55.00 COVERS ALL SPEAKERS & LUNCH ~ ($45.00 FOR STUDENTS)
DINNER WITH THE SPEAKERS IS $22.00 ~ A KENTUCY DERBY BUFFET WITH:

Grilled Beef Tenderloin ~ Shrimp 'n Cheese Grits ~ Sweet Potatoes ~ Southern Slaw ~ Bourbon Bread Pudding ~ Derby Pie ~ Iced Tea ~ Price includes tax & gratuity ~ and the Chef is adding more items to the line-up!

Just between you and me, they are charging the public $25.95 + tax and gratuity for the same buffet!

SCHEDULED SPEAKERS:
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9:30AM - 9:45PM, 8 Speaker Sessions

9:30 ~ Susan Swiatek * Welcome & Overview of Virginia UFO Activity

10:00 ~ Robert Swiatek * Busy Brits: New Web Postings from the UK UFO Archives

11:00 ~ Cameron Pack * UFOs and the Amateur Researcher

12:15 Lunch for All Speakers & Attendees

1:30 ~ Antonio Huneeus * A New UFO Briefing Document? Update on The Best Available Evidence Worldwide

2:30 ~ Susan Swiatek * Truly Bizarre Cases From My Files

3:30 ~ Granville Angell * Are We Prepared to Know the Truth About Our Shared Universe? The Cover-Up Persists; Thoughts on Why

4:30-6:00 ~ Book Room / Chat Break

6:00-7:30 ~ Seated Dinner/Cookout for Speakers & Paid Dinner Guests

7:30 ~ Dessert & Coffee/Tea for All

7:45 ~ Robert Swiatek * Extraordinary Research Partnership: Will It Yield UFO Gold?

8:30 ~ Scott & Suzanne Ramsey * Aztec New Mexico UFO Incident: New Findings

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Sunday, March 18, 2007

Aztec Prepares for Invasion: UFO Symposium Set for Next Weekend

Scott & Suzanne Ramsey (Adj)
By Lindsay Whitehurst
The Daily Times
3-18-07

     AZTEC — UFOs are not typical dinner table conversation for most couples. Scott and Suzanne Ramsey are not most couples.

"He's working on a book, so it is (something we talk about) more," Suzanne Ramsey said. "It's an ongoing pursuit."

Her husband, Scott Ramsey, has spent 20 years researching the alleged UFO crash site in Aztec. He's attended the UFO Symposium in Aztec almost every year, and spoken there a few times.

Next weekend's symposium, held March 23-25, will be the 10th for the annual event. Held at the Aztec Boys and Girls Club, the symposium will start with a dinner on Friday and follow with lectures on Saturday and Sunday. Tickets are $25; military, EMT and police get in free. For more information, call (505) 334-7657 or visit aztecufo.com

It was Scott Ramsey who convinced Dennis Balthaser, a speaker this year and every other since the symposium began, that something did happen in Aztec.

"I had some reservations about Aztec for many years, but ... it really looks like something did happen in 1948," he said.

A UFO research concentrating on Roswell, Area 51, underground bases and the great pyramids of Giza (though he doesn't necessarily think aliens built the pyramids, they may have provided the technology), Balthaser will speak on "Roswell: Then and Now."

There are some similarities between the two incidents: Both the Roswell and Aztec crashes were reported to have bodies, both were in New Mexico, but the overarching theme, Balthaser, is the biggest similarity.

"It's all part of the UFO program the government has, in not revealing any information they have and lying about it," he said.

For the Ramseys, the aliens were what brought them together, so to speak. Originally from Farmington, Suzanne got interested in the symposium when, about seven years ago, she interviewed several speakers for her radio show.

She was impressed by "the caliber of speakers they were having — highly educated, articulate, knowledgeable people that had done some really good research," she said. " I was really taken by that."

She got involved on the organizational end of things, and eventually met Scott. She had helped put him up to be raffled off as a date for a fund raiser, only to see her own name drawn.

But when she looked at the winning ticket, her name was misspelled. Family and friends had purchased 60 tickets in addition to the five she paid for to ensure she'd end up as his date.

Though the Ramsey's won't be attending this year (they've since moved to North Carolina), their scientific approach to the extraterrestrial subject is what the symposium is all about organizers say.

"Mainstream researchers deal with fact," Katee McClure, who is organizing the symposium, said.

A fund-raising event for the Aztec Library, the symposium is based on an alleged UFO crash in Aztec's Hart Canyon in 1948. In the crash, one of four in the New Mexico area, 16 charred "humanoid" bodies were said to have been found inside a saucer.

"I think (the Aztec crash) has been shrouded in mystery since the beginning," Scott said.

Several agencies, including the FBI, Air Force and CIA, kept files on the case, he said, referring to hundreds of pages of government documents he said he's obtained.

"If the event was written off as a hoax, why were all those government agencies keeping open files on it?" he said.

Eight speakers will appear at the symposium this year, from Farah Yurdozu, a Turkish journalist and medium who covers abductions and close encounters, to Wendelle Stevens, a retired U.S. Air Force officer worked on a documentary about military personnel who say they helped clean up UFO crash sites.

There will also be tours of the crash site and other activities

The overall theme is thoughtful consideration.

"I don't think everything that people see is a UFO," Suzanne Ramsey said. "I think sometimes people get caught up in the fact that it's everything or nothing; it's very polarized. (I think) life is more middle of the road than that."