Showing posts with label Aztec UFO Crash. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Aztec UFO Crash. Show all posts

Friday, February 09, 2024

The Aztec UFO Incident and The Fog of Time (1)

Letter From Home (Flying Saucer Snippet, Letter From Warty To Grandma) - Aztec Independent Review 3-24-1950 www.theufochronicles.com



Origin Stories

     Recently, colleague and noted researcher Curt Collins reached out and inquired about “a claim that the Aztec hoax was inspired by a joke newspaper story in the Aztec Independent Review by George Bawra.” [sic] Curt discovered a blurb (See below) in Garrett M. Graff's new book, "UFO: The Inside Story of the US Government's Search for Alien Life Here―and Out There," which precipitated the question.

(For the record, the more common, long held precept for the origins of the Aztec UFO crash narrative is that the story was created out of
Frank Warren - www.theufochronicles.com
By Frank Warren
The UFO Chronicles
1-31-2024
whole cloth by two purported conmen, i.e., Silas Newton and Leo GeBauer. This account was borne by then, off and on again newspaper reporter, J.P. Cahn. Given the national obsession with the then Flying Saucers, and after reading, Frank Scully's book, Behind The Flying Saucers, Cahn saw an opportunity to get his job back at the San Francisco Chronicle; he called his former boss, Scott Newhall at the Chronicle and said, "I'll guarantee you we have one of two things, we have the greatest story since the resurrection or the greatest hoax since the Cardiff Giant." Although the lure of the account in Frank Scully's bestselling book got Cahn his job back, in the aftermath, the Chronicle decided against publishing the hit piece. Later, Cahn sold his article to Ken Purdy, publisher of True Magazine).
Aztec Snippet in UFO -The Inside Story of the US Government's Search for Alien Life Here By Garret M. Graff - www.theufochronicles.com
Snippet from Garrett M. Graff's new book, "UFO: The Inside Story of the US Government's Search for Alien Life Here―and Out There"

Curt additionally cited, Jerome Clark’s piece in Omni magazine, in the Sept. 1988 issue and in referencing researcher Bill's Moore previous report on Aztec, he in part wrote:

"UFO researcher William Moore who has investigated the Aztec story dismissed the new allegations [By Bill Steinman in the book, "UFO Crash at Aztec, A Well Kept Secret"] as 'unsubstantiated conjecture.' And a reporter for the Daily Times [Debi Yeager] published in nearby Farmington says nobody in Aztec even remembers a UFO crash [*See article below]. 'Several years ago I got a call from a guy in California and that's the first time I ever heard the story', says the reporter. "I decided to check it out. No one knew anything about it, except George Bawra [Sic] who's now dead. At the time he was editor of the Aztec Independent Review. He told me he had written a tongue-in-cheek story about a UFO in the area. Apparently some people picked up the story as gospel."

He (Curt) went on to say that, "I've seen this repeated again and again" (as most of us who pay attention have).

The Farmington Daily Times article cited by Moore is seen below:
What Happened Around Aztec, By Debi Yeager - Farmington Daily Times 1-17-1982 www.theufochronicles.com
* Farmington Daily Times 1-17-1982

In the latter part of 1991, The International UFO Reporter published an in-depth article/report by researchers, William E. Jones and Rebecca D. Minshall concerning Aztec, and the assertions of Bill Steinman; although they didn’t travel to Aztec, they did contact some of the stated witnesses Steinman talked to and concluded the following:

“Neither the Scully book nor the Steinman book is persuasive. The critical information each presents is questionable. Everyone we contacted in Aztec, especially the older people who were adults in March of 1948, is certain that no crash ever took place. It is clear that the flying-saucer-crash story is part of Aztec's folklore but not its history.”

One of the witnesses that Jones & Minshall spoke to (also) brought up Bowra, and stated:

"... the crash story may have been started by a newspaper man she believes was named George Bower [sic]; he sometimes wrote partially true and sensational stories for the local paper to help boost circulation."
Official UFO magazine (Aztec Article by McClelland) - Oct. 1975
Official UFO Dec. 1975

Going back further to 1975, the magazine, Official UFO, published an article/report, by Mike McClelland, then an investigator for the Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization (APRO), as well as Project Coordinator for the Unidentified Flying Object Report and Information Center (UFORIC). The title of the article was, "The UFO Crash of 1948 was a Hoax."

McClelland's report/article was prompted by the revelations (concerning Aztec) of one Robert Spencer Carr, who was primarily known as "an American writer of science fiction and fantasy." Carr's revivification of the Aztec crash story, first mentioned on a radio broadcast on Oct. 11, 1974 to promote the upcoming Flying Saucer Symposium by PSI Conferences in Tampa, Florida "created a media sensation that lasted for months in print and broadcast news."

In regards to Bowra, McClelland wrote:

"... George Bowra who owned the Aztec newspaper in 1948. From my conversation with him, he impressed me as one who must have been a colorful individual. He recalled a tongue-in-cheek article he had written for the newspaper years ago describing his abduction by little green men from space."

Letters From Home

On the mind of readers at this point is, why not locate the original article(s) cited over the years? The short answer is various researchers and or interested parties have tried, myself and close colleagues included.

Several years ago with our first pass looking through the microfilm and or copies thereof the Aztec Independent Review for the issues published around 1948—we searched for any articles akin to the Aztec narrative, concerning flying saucers, crashes, aliens etc., we got zilch, bupkis, nada.

A breakthrough occurred when I interviewed George Bowra's son, Jim (RIP) back in 2013. When questioned about the alleged article, he stated:

"my father periodically wrote a tongue-in-cheek ... uhh, article ... about a boy, kinda of a hillbilly dumb kid named Warty, and he was writing to his grandmother. Occasionally it would be local politics and city government but usually it was just ... something. He wrote this one particularly ... Warty wrote this one about a flying saucer ..."

Armed with that information we took another dive into the microfilm, and with our boots on the ground colleague, B.M. Marshall–we stroke gold; we finally understood why the so-called article(s) were so elusive. As you can see (below), the piece(s) wasn't an article at all, it was a regular column, certainly tongue-in-cheek as described and first published in July of 1949.

The first mention of Flying Saucers specifically in Bowra's Letter From Home column was published in the March 24th, 1950 weekly issue of The Aztec Independent Review.

(This was not the first mention of Flying Saucers in the paper, more on that later).
Letters From Home, People Who See Flying Saucers 3-24-1950 - www.theufochronicles.com
The Aztec Independent Review March 24, 1950

Also in that issue was an editorial likewise by Bowra simply entitled, "Flying Saucers" (see below). The commentary cites the Flying Saucer (UFO) events which occurred for 3 days in neighboring Farmington the week prior, offering a circumspect if not derogatory demeanor to the happenings at that time. In contrast, the Farmington Daily Times felt the sightings merited, front page, headline news. The March 18th (1950) edition of the paper in large, caps, entitled their primary article, as “HUGE ‘SAUCER’ ARMADA JOLTS FARMINGTON.”

Farmington Daily Times March 18, 1950 - www.theufochronicles.com
Farmington Daily Times March 18, 1950

The gist of Bowra’s editorial was continued in his other column, "Rips and Tears." (See below). In absorbing all three elements (the Letter From Home column; the editorial and the Rips and Tears column) of the that edition that addressed or mentioned Flying Saucers, it’s clear that the events of nearby Farmington are what instigated the focus on the Saucers (UFOs).

Flying Saucers - Aztec Independent Review 3-24-1950 www.theufochronicles.com
The Aztec Independent Review March 24, 1950
Rips and Tears (Flying Saucers) 3-24-1950 www.theufochronicles.com
The Aztec Independent Review March 24, 1950
Although Bowra's fictional character Warty, in writing to Grandma in the Letter From Home column shown above spoke of saucers, it was in generalizations and not event specific. With the actual articles now in play and conjecture aside, methinks even the most ardent skeptic would agree it would be a stretch, to put it mildly that the aforementioned piece is what birthed the Aztec UFO crash narrative. However, like Flying Saucer/UFO sightings during that time, Warty wasn't done, he would broach the subect again in the May 5th, 1950 issue (of the Aztec Independent Review). This time, he reports a sighting (See below).
Letters From Home, We Finally Saw a Saucer - Aztec Independent Review 5-5-1950 - www.theufochronicles.com

In contrast to the first mention of Flying Saucers in the column, Letter From Home, in where Warty (Bowra) spoke in broad strokes, here (right) albeit in the repeatedly described tongue-in-cheek manner, in this instance, published on the week of May 5th, 1950, Warty is facetiously reporting about a specific (fictional) Flying Saucer (UFO) event.

Although the first mention of George Bowra, in connection with Flying Saucers (UFOs) by an outside source (Desert Magazine) occurred in 1950 (more on that later), the most significant was in McClelland’s piece in December of 1975. Important to note, as stated previously, McClelland wrote:

“He [Bowra] recalled a tongue-in-cheek article he had written for the newspaper years ago describing his abduction by little green men from space."

For the record, beginning with his son, who also worked for the paper—nowhere has there been another report or reference to Bowra writing about “abductions” whimsical or no in the Aztec Independent Review, or anywhere else for that matter.

Conversely, abductions were brought to the American mainstream via “The UFO Incident, the 1975 American made-for-television biographical film starring James Earl Jones and Estelle Parsons based on the alleged 1961 alien abduction of Barney and Betty Hill.” The movie splashed across screens in October, and was the talk across kitchen tables from coast to coast. Bowra was 77 by the time McClelland spoke to him; the former never took Flying Saucers/UFOs seriously as his penscript demonstrates; I believe, given his age, then current media coverage of the TV movie and abductions, and through the fog of time—he conflated “abductions” with his previous writings re Flying Saucers via his pseudonym, Warty back in the day.

Conclusions

With the Sept. 29th issue of 1950, the title of Bowra’s column was changed to “Letter To Grandma” and by March of ’52 it was taken off the front page. Over time variations would appear, e.g., Letter From Grandma, Letters To Warty from Rimrock and Letters From Cousins. Warty (Bowra) would write again (Letter To Grandma) about Flying Saucers in the Nov. 9th, 1951 issue, recalling the mass sightings (Farmington Saucer Armada) of the year before and attributing the events to the “power of suggestion.”

As I replied to Curt regarding his inquiry, I wrote:

“Did George Bowra write a fictional account that describes what is known today as The Aztec Incident? No. Did he mention Flying Saucers which was an off and on again convo based on media attention? Yes, in his light-hearted letters to Grandma.”

Additionally, Franky Scully first wrote about “The Aztec Incident” in his column for Variety magazine on Oct. 12th 1949—months before Bowra would generally mention Flying Saucers; said article was basically an abstract of what would later become his bestselling book, Behind the Flying Saucers (Henry Holt and Company, 1950). Moreover, at the same time, while Scully was enlightening his readers, likewise Silas Newton was spilling the beans on the golf course.

Finally, it’s clear from reading Bowra’s penscript above—there’s nothing that resembles, the Aztec UFO narrative, crashed Flying Saucers, aliens or abductions. The one Flying Saucer/UFO specific event he cites in his fictional, whimsical account published in the May, 5th 1950 issue which described seeing a UFO through the back window of his “store building,” shooting at it, and then realizing it was only a reflection of a “swinging light globe.” Full stop.

Thursday, October 20, 2022

20 Questions About Flying Saucers (UFOs / UAP) For The Air Force - 1950

20 Questions About Flying Saucers (UFOs / UAP) For The Air Force - 1950

     The recent announcement by the Air Force that its Operation Saucer had been closed failed in its purpose to put an official quietus on discussion of Flying Saucers [UFOs].

The announcement followed by 24 hours of the appearance in True Magazine of an article by Lt. Donald E. Keyhoe, entitled, "Flying Saucers Are Real." Lt. Keyhoe spoke in Buffalo and repeated his statements after the Air Force announcement had been issued.

Among the columnists and commentators who have taken part in the discussion is Frank Scully, who writes a column entitled
Frank Scully
By Frank Scully,
Buffalo Evening News
9-9-1950
"Scully's Scrapbook." Mr. Scully scoffed at the Air Force announcement and listed 20 questions which he would like to ask the Air Force top command.

Subsequently, Mr. Scully said the questions were propounded in utmost seriousness, that whatever others might think, he saw no reason for treating the subject of Flying Saucers lightly. Mr. Scully's questions follow:

Thursday, December 23, 2021

Veteran Researcher, Mike Price Has Passed Away – December 17, 2021

Veteran Researcher, Mike Price Has Passed Away – December 17, 2021

Good friend and longtime researcher, Mike Price has died. His inquisitiveness lead him to explore different subject matter, one of those being, Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOS). Although Mike didn’t seek the limelight and often worked behind the scenes, his research occasioned travel across the country, time and again.

Early on Mike was a MUFON field investigator, then later joined the Aztec UFO research team, led by Scott & Suzanne Ramsey. His memory lives on—FW
     Michael R. Price, 67, of Duncan's Creek Community, died Friday, December 17, 2021 with his family at his side in Shelby, NC.
By The Star
12-18-21

Mike was thoughtful, kind, quietly generous, and always expanding and sharing knowledge. Mike's greatest talent was learning about complex subjects, and sharing his thoughts with others. Not only did Mike love auto racing, skiing, hiking and most of all flying, he was determined to share those passions with others. To know Mike was to love him.

Sunday, May 17, 2020

(Aztec) UFO Cover-Up Blamed On CIA

UFO Cover-Up Now Blamed On CIA - The Victoria Advocate 2-12-1975



     As if they didn't have enough trouble already, the folks at the CIA now have to deny stories that the agency has suppressed information about creatures from outer space and, in one instance, allegedly held captive until death a crew member from an unidentified flying object.
By The Victoria Advocate
2-12-1975

The man making the charges about what he calls the CIA's "Saucergate" scandal, is Robert S. Carr, a former lecturer in mass communications at the University of South Florida. Carr says he also once worked for Walt Disney on what he says were "highly classified secret government projects" involving nonverbal communication.

[...]

Incident One: On Feb. 13, 1948, 12 miles west of Aztec, N.M., a 30-foot flying saucer made a crash landing killing all 12 "little men" aboard. The bodies were whisked away to Dayton, Ohio, to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base where they remain today in a medical lab in cryonic suspension. The whole thing has been covered up by the CIA.

Monday, May 11, 2020

Frank Scully's 'Behind The Flying Saucers' Makes Best Seller's List, Picture Rights Discussed

Frank Scully's 'Behind The Flying Saucers' Makes Best Seller's List, Picture Rights Discussed - Variety 10-11-1950



     Frank Scully's "Behind The Flying Saucers" is in a fifth printing and of Sunday (8) had moved into the big 10 of the New York Times and Herald Trib bestseller lists.
By Variety
10-11-1950

First serial rights have been sold in England to the Sunday Despatch, in France to France-Soir, and in Italy to Mondadori Editore, with Scandinavian, Spanish and or other rights to the British Empire have been sold to Gollancz of London.

Sunday, April 14, 2019

UFO Crash Of 1940s Is Drawing Local Interest | UFO CHRONICLE – 1974



UFO Crash Of 1940s Is Drawing Local Interest - Lebanon Daily News 11-11-1974

      In 1948, a flying saucer crash-landed near Aztec, N.M, and the disabled craft along with the humanoid bodies discovered within were rushed into seclusion at Wright-Patterson Air Force
By Lebanon Daily News
11-11-1974
Base in Dayton, Ohio. At least this is the story which has been circulating the past 26 years, and has recently been revived.

Thursday, August 02, 2018

'Flying Saucers, Like Girls, Are Here To Stay' – Frank Scully Papers

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Flying Saucers, Like Girls, Are Here To Stay

     Frank Scully held many titles in his life: author, journalist, humorist, & politician. However, his interests eventually led him into a niche field: flying saucers.
Text of a speech given by Frank Scully at a convention published in Saucers, December 1953. Box 6, Frank Scully papers.
By Wyoming Public Media
&
American Heritage Center
7-30-18

Scully wrote for places like The New York Sun and ran a few non-profits in California but in the 1950s he became heavily invested in the government’s treatment of UFO’s and quote: “little men with magnetic rays.”

He eventually wrote a book called Behind the Flying Saucers. Scully’s book argued that the Air Force regretted denying the existence of interplanetary ships. ...

Monday, March 27, 2017

Aztec UFO Incident Still Debated 69 Years Later | VIDEO

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Aztec UFO Incident Still Debated 69 Years Later

      AZTEC — Saturday marks the 69th anniversary of an incident that is still up for debate. Some claim that March 25, 1948, an alien spacecraft landed or crash-landed in Heart Canyon.
By J.R. Oppenheim
www.kob.com
3-24-17

“Hundreds of military and intelligence documents that since the Freedom of Information Act and research shows that something happened here, and something happened in and around Aztec,” Brooks Marshall as he stood below the bluff where a few books and other research claim the craft landed.

From below, there isn’t much to see. A photo Marshall produced showed that the site below the supposed crash site used to have many tanks used for some manner of gas production. Marshall said he can confirm the picture, he moved to the area in the 1970s, working at El Paso Natural Gas.

Thursday, March 27, 2014

Air Force Denies Aliens Being Kept on Ice at Wright-Patterson AFB | UFO CHRONICLE - 1974


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AF Denies 'Green-Men' On Ice - Birmingham News 10-12-1974
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By Birmingham News
10-12-1974


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Monday, August 05, 2013

The Great Aztec [UFO Incident] Debate on The Paracast


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The Aztec Incident By Scott & Suzanne Ramsey

By Kevin Randle
A Different Perspective
7-28-13

     Well, the great Aztec debate is over and the winner is… Yeah, you’d think that but it was probably Scott Ramsey. After all, he had immersed himself in the case for twenty years and was able to divert the conversation into other arenas without doing much damage to his own point of view. You can listen to the show here:


Take, for example, this investigation that was apparently launched by the Air Force Office of Special Investigation into a claim that someone had offered for sale pictures of the Aztec flying saucer in late 1948. This was clearly a hoax of some kind because the man offering the pictures, a fellow named Cline, apparently didn’t exist and was never found. The Army CID and then the AFOSI were involved which seems to lend some credibility to the tale, but the reality is, while the military was involved, there was nothing to suggest that the pictures ever existed and that it seems to have been some sort of con. Just because Aztec and pictures were mentioned it doesn’t actually prove that something happened near Aztec.

Ramsey wrote, “A skeptic might suggest that the photo sting might have been part of a con game attempting to capitalize on Scully’s best-selling book, but the other interesting part of history is that Scully’s book was published, not yet on the booksellers’ shelves when this “sting” took place. If this were some crazy marketing scheme by Scully, he would surely have made reference to the Aztec photos in his book, but no such reference is found in the book to photographs other than the Dr. Gee comments about them.”

There are several flaws here, the first of which is that the publication date is not the date the books land in the bookstores. They’re usually there earlier than the publication date and are often for sale prior to that date. But what is overlooked here, and which I didn’t think of while in the debate, is that Denver, where all this took place, was where Silas Newton, in March 1950, had made his famous UFO speech at the University of Denver. Newton was talking about a crash and mentioned specifically that one had fallen within 500 miles of Denver.

In fact, according to newspapers and other documents, there had been a lot of discussion of the UFO crash in the Four Corners area of New Mexico since the beginning of 1950. In Scully’s book (page 20 of the old hardback), Scully wrote:
In fact the night the Denver Post was exposing Scientist X and the Farmington citizens were exposing Operation Hush-Hush, I was dining in Hollywood with the man all Denver was hunting for. He had just talked to George Koehler in Denver by long distance. Koehler had worked for him and had married his nurse. The Farmington report had set Denver in an uproar, Koehler told him.

“Do you remember my telling you,” Scientist X said as he hung up, “that the first flying saucer was found on a ranch twelve miles from Aztec?”

I remembered when he reminded me but I had forgotten. “Yes,” I said, “I remember now.”

“Well, he said, “Farmington is only twenty-eight miles from that ranch…”
The point here is that the name of Aztec and details of the crash were being bandied about many months before Scully’s book came out, and many in the Denver area were aware of the case. So, a hoax, appearing in Denver in the weeks after the official publication date of Scully’s book isn’t all that impossible… in fact, had it been any other city besides Denver, that whole episode might have greater importance.

Had I known that this would become an important point in the debate, I would have been ready for it. Scott chose the ground for the battle and I moved to meet him, rather than retreating for an advantage. My mistake.

So, let’s talk about the conman, Silas Newton. Scott said that I had said that when Newton died 140 claims were filed against his estate. This figure came from Jerry Clark in his UFO Encyclopedia and he cited Bill Moore as the source. Scott said that he had only been able to document one of these claims which, to me, is one too many (though claims filed against an estate are not all that rare). The suggestion was that the information came from Moore and therefore was unreliable because Moore, in 1989 had committed UFOlogcial suicide admitting to various and somewhat unethical activities. Moore was unreliable. We can ignore what Moore said for that reason and I just wasn’t going to defend Moore as a researcher, given what I knew about him.

But the information about Newton being a conman runs far beyond what Moore had said in 1989. According to J. P. Cahn, Newton had a long history of engaging in shady activities. In 1931, he was arrested for conspiracy and was later arrested for larceny, false stock statements, and interstate transportation of stolen property. He seemed to have a long arrest record, but in many of the cases had the charges dismissed when Newton made restitution.

Not exactly a sterling reputation… and one that didn’t seem to end until his death. So, the information is that there had been 140 claims against his estate, but nearly all of them dropped when it was learned that he had about $16,000.00 in assets. I suppose the single case that was left, at least according to Scott, was the one that wasn’t dropped.

We talked about the case in Denver in which Newton and GeBauer were on trial for fraud. They lost the trial but the debate seemed to center on whether this was a criminal trial or a civil trial, but in the end the distinction isn’t great… meaning that the judgment went against them. They lost and were forced to pay restitution and to prove what a sterling character Newton was, he never did make restitution.

So the real point wasn’t how many people attempted to have Newton pay them after Newton died, but that he had a long history of con games.

I asked Scott if he had ever interviewed Manuel Sandoval, a part-time police officer from Cuba, New Mexico who had been on the scene. Scott readily admitted that he hadn’t and that was clear from the book. I have been back through this book (having not read it for about two years) and I still say that it seems that he had interviewed Sandoval, given the way the chapters are written. Scott said it’s clear that the information came from Sandoval’s best friend but if you read the information starting on page 3, it seems that he is quoting Sandoval… and he does again later in the book. This point might have been a little too subtle, and Scott argued that it wasn’t true.

We talked about the information that came from Donald Bass, known as Sam, which came by way of Virgil Riggs. I noted that there was no confirmation that Bass had been killed by a hit and run driver in Vietnam as alleged. Scott said that the database I used suggested there might be omissions in it, but there is little room for error. I did check others, but cited only the one. Scott had no information to refute this only that the one database might have been incomplete.

Here’s the problem. Scott wrote that he had Bass’ service number but apparently has not checked with the Records Center in St. Louis. I sent him the information on how to access that information but have not heard back. If Bass had been killed in Vietnam, the St. Louis Records Center would be the final authority on it because it would be noted in his record. Given that Scott has a service number for the guy, we can get information about him. This point should be checked.

This is a minor point, but what I was suggesting was that some of the avenues, some of the easy ones had not been followed. It would only take a short letter and a stamp to get the information, but that hasn’t been done. Instead Scott just said the database might have been incomplete, which doesn’t really advance his position or validate the claim.

And while it seemed that the debate went Scott’s way most of the time, I believe there was one knockout punch I delivered. I asked if Scott had any documentation for the Aztec crash that preceded Scully’s reports on it. A newspaper clipping, a diary, a letter, anything with a date that preceded Scully, but he said he didn’t have anything like that.

That might be the real game changer. Something, anything, that can be shown to have been written before Scully released the information, would go a long way to validate the Aztec crash. At this point there are no newspaper articles, no magazine reports, and no government documents to show this.

There were some other points that were made, but not much of substance. I mentioned that the man who was sheriff in 1947 had said it didn’t happen. Scott countered that he had talked to the family and well, maybe that wasn’t quite true… I’ll stick with what Coral Lorenzen had to say when she talked to the sheriff in the mid-1970s.

I mean that’s sort of where it all ended. Scott believes there was a crash and I do not. He is required to prove his case and I am not. He is the one making the claims of the crash so the burden of proof is on him. I don’t believe he met that burden, but I do remember the Mogul debate that took place in Roswell in 1997 between Karl Pflock and me. Those who believed Mogul thought Karl had won and those who did not believed I had won. I don’t know if either one of us swayed an opinion and it was the same thing here. I don’t think either of us swayed an opinion.


Saturday, June 02, 2012

1948 Aztec New Mexico Incident



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By Dennis Balthaser
www.truthseekeratroswell.com
6-1-12
     The Aztec Incident occurred in March 1948, just 8 months after the Roswell Incident, and based on information now available it appears the government and military had learned from their mistakes at Roswell. Aztec had no newspaper or radio reports as Roswell did, when the Incident happened, which then had to be covered up and excuses given for the next 65 years.

Over the years since Aztec happened there has been very little information forthcoming, in fact there were only 2 books published about the event, again unlike Roswell. The first was Frank Scully’s, “Behind the Flying Saucers”, published in September 1950. The second book was co-written by William Steinman and Wendelle Stevens entitled, “UFO Crash at Aztec”, and published in 1986. Both of those books created controversy, and created more questions than answers. Who was the mysterious “Dr. Gee”, how could a 99’ diameter craft be moved from the site to a secure location, and was the whole incident the work of con-men as many debunkers and critics have argued? There lies a similarity to Roswell in that debunkers and critics don’t normally do the research required, as was the case with Karl Pflock and Dave Thomas, who were two of the most vocal debunkers of the Aztec Incident.

Finally in 2012 a third book has been published, co-authored by Scott and Suzanne Ramsey, entitled, “The Aztec Incident, Recovery at Hart Canyon”, ISBN 978-0-9850046-0-6 (left). The unending research, travel to archives, witness interviews and expenses encountered by the Ramsey’s have finally answered some of the questions we have all had about Aztec over the years. When Scott began his research some 25 years ago he assumed he would be able to prove or disprove the Aztec Incident within a few months. That didn’t happen and the more he delved into the facts about Aztec the more questions were raised. During his many trips to Aztec he met and finally married Suzanne, who became his co-author, and together they have compiled a book full of factual information, (with documentation to support their findings), that will have many taking another look at the 1948 Aztec Incident.


The town of Aztec had noticed the notoriety Roswell was getting with the annual Roswell Festival, and decided to start their own annual symposium in an attempt to raise money for a new library. I was invited to speak at the first symposium held in Aztec in 1998 (the 50th anniversary of the event.) Since then I have attended at least 8 of the annual events as either a speaker or Master of Ceremonies, and it was at these symposiums that I met Scott and Suzanne Ramsey and became seriously interested in the Aztec Incident. Like many others having read the first two books published I had many questions about whether Aztec was a real event or not. Working with the Ramsey’s and others, discussing witnesses, visiting the crash site in Hart Canyon and other research we’ve done together, I soon became convinced that the Ramsey’s were in fact revealing new information not previously known. Their “Aztec Incident” book lays to rest many of the questions that have been asked over the years.


The Aztec Symposium began growing with attendance increasing every year, primarily due to the well-known researchers that were invited to speak each year at the annual event. The list of speakers invited to Aztec was like a “who’s who” of Ufology and the Aztec symposium became one of the most popular in the country, reaching a point where consideration was given to moving it to Farmington, a larger town a few miles west of Aztec that could facilitate the ever-increasing crowds.

Not all city fathers in Aztec supported the annual event, however through the friends of the Library a new library was built which the town of Aztec can be proud of. Recently someone now responsible for inviting speakers, decided to change the type researchers invited leaning more toward the paranormal types. That resulted in a reduction in the number of people attending, and last year an announcement was made that the annual Aztec symposium would no longer take place. Scott and Suzanne Ramsey, Randy Barnes, myself and a few others devoted a lot of hours over the years to make the Aztec symposium an event visitors looked forward to, and researchers such as Stanton Friedman, Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Ted Phillips, Timothy Good and many others were an important part of making Aztec a respectable conference where serious researchers were able to share their knowledge with a receptive audience.

Reading through the Ramsey’s book, one gets an appreciation for the hours of work involved in writing such an account. It contains many pages of government documents and correspondence, in addition to the travel involved to 26 states, universities, military archives and witnesses interviewed. This was not a couple of months project as Scott had anticipated originally, but rather a devotion to finding factual information with verification to determine if the Aztec Incident was a true event in 1948. I believe the Ramsey’s (pictured above) have accomplished that, revealing information for the first time pertaining to different aspects of the Incident, which leave little doubt in the minds of the reader that Aztec was a real event, covered up by the military and government much better than the Roswell Incident had been when it happened 8 months earlier.

It appears that the mysterious “Dr. Gee” was in fact at least 8 different scientists combined under that one name. Moving the craft was thoroughly researched using an expert that had years of experience in moving large loads, determining the proper route, and considering the equipment that would have been available in 1948. The so-called con men referred to by many of the debunkers in the first two books is thoroughly discussed and explained as nothing more then a retaliation by a J.P. Cahn to get even with people for not allowing him to print the Aztec story. Radar sites basically unknown to the public were discovered within a reasonable distance of Hart Canyon and operational in 1948. Many of the first hand witnesses testimony revealed in this book, refers to oil field workers, law enforcement officers, a preacher, and others who were at the site at Hart Canyon in 1948, and saw the bodies inside the craft, and then sworn to secrecy by the military.

“The Aztec Incident” book is a must read and leaves no doubt that a craft came down in Hart Canyon a few miles east of Aztec New Mexico in March 1948, basically undamaged, containing bodies, was taken apart and transported off of the mesa, and remains covered up to this day, 64 years later.