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Saturday, February 19, 2022

CIA Veteran Discloses Alien Abduction During Knapp Interview

CIA Veteran Discloses Alien Abduction During Knapp Interview


George Knapp interviews Jim Semivan


     Las Vegas based, investigative journalist George Knapp interviewed former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) employee, Jim Semivan on 30 January 2022 on Coast to Coast AM. Here are my notes on that interview. My notes focus on references to UAP, and are thin when it comes to general discussion about the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA.)

George Knapp (G): My guest Jim Semivan spent 25 years in the CIA, then 12 years as a contractor. Retired in 2007. In 2016 joined To The Stars Academy of Arts & Sciences.
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By Keith Basterfield
The UFO Chronicles
2-15-22
Jim Semivan (J): I met John Alexander after the publication of his book. He said involvement in the UAP topic will get you "tarred and feathered." So, I stayed on the sidelines. However, met a group in California, and decided to get out and talk about the subject.

UAP and CIA

G: Were UFOs Discussed at CIA?

J: I was there 30 something years at the CIA. Nothing spoken about at the CIA. No sign on a door. There was a place where Kit Green worked - the "weird desk." UFOs and paranormal. Got to know people in government who worked on it unofficially. No one ever found a "UFO" office.

My wife and I, in 1991/1992 had an experience - pretty traumatic. The day after that happened a guy in deep cover at the agency said he was going to a UFO conference. I explained what happened to me. He wrote down on a piece of paper the details of Vallee's triology of books. I have always been a student of esoteric works. Not into the paranormal. I was taken aback by it all.

I started to nose around - informal. Knew DoD had AAWSAP going on 2007 or 08 or 09. Heard of Lue. Introduced to Lue by Hal Puthoff. Went to Pentagon inner halls - met Lue and deputy and other people. An unofficial relationship.

Personal Experience

G:: What can you say about your wife's and your experience?

J: One reason I don't dicsuss it, is that my wife and I are still being studied by another group of people. Had a classic abduction style thing. Except it was in the bedroom in the middle of the night. Beings show up. Pretty upsetting later on. Physical things that happened to both of us. We have documents for all that. Short experience. Real. My wife is a psychologist. It was not a dream or hypnagogic state. Later on, when I met John in 2014/2015, John interviewed both of us - gave him the data. Couple of people took bloood etc.

G: Ongoing?

J: Not too much later. Last tests about four years ago. Bedroom figures. Miniture version of a messenger.

Discussion on historical role of CIA and UFOs.

UAP and Intelligence Community

G: What about now? Upper echelons of the intelligence community? Possible reactions?

J: Speculating here. Now people in the IC are willing to take it on. We briefed senior people on the topic. They wanted it to be out in the open. It is truely a national security issue. Don't like - the military/government don't own the topic. Phenomenon shows up everywhere. I want to know what the hell it is. Let's take it private.

G: Big picture stuff. Anyone know the full picture?

J: Don't think anyone knows the true picture. Col Kelleher said its a lot more than nuts and bolts. There is a biological side to it - high strangeness and scary. When started TTSA we discussed this. Do we really want to know?

Discussion on quantum mechanics and conciousness.

Russian or Chinese?

G: UAP, orbs, drones etc. You studied Russian and Chinese technology - could they be Russian or Chinese?

J: Absolutely not. ODNI report - read between the lines - here are possibilities but not Russian or Chinese. No terrestrial - other something.

G: What is the general tone in the intelligence community today?

J: Mixed bag. No one wants to go near it. New task force - have to get people together who know a lot about it. Feel sorry for the guys who have to come up with the answers. I understand the miltary's perspective to some point. Need the new UFO org to have senior person in charge or others not going to share information. Congressional members are very interested.

TTSA

G: TTSA - lofty goals.

J: I first met Tom -Sekret machines. Couple of people came to me and said have you read the book? He had advisors. Who's talking to him? Had an unofficial dinner with Tom. It was apparent he was a smart guy. I guessed who a couple of his advisors were. Next day we had lunch together. Why don't you join my company? He sketched it out. Hal was there. TTSA formed. I met with Lue who said I'm going to resign from DOD. Hooked up with Tom. Tom hired him. Chris Mellon came on board, as did Steve Justice. I was a little worried - sticking our necks out. Military saddled with the problem now. You have to get guys who know stuff already. People with no background are problematic. I did briefings on the side to other agencies. They have to make up for what they dont know. It was one guy 5% of the time, like AATIP.

G: What about crashes?

J: CRADA still in effect. Senior people from the Army visited us. A while later, another group came out. Both groups were impressed. Don't know what end result will be. Recently rearranged TTSA. Our name now is just To the Stars - an entertanment company. Will start up the podcast again.

G: Stories from Vallee and Nolan, stories about entire craft and bodies. Real? Someone has craft and bodies?

J: Let that go. Not going there.

G: CRADA timeline?

J: Don't know. Pieces of Mg-Bi - waveguide - Some say result of some process. You don't have to figure it all out, just get some ideas.

The story of Bob Lazar. You gave me a thumbnail sketch of Lazar. I don't have issues. I believe what he says is accurate. Edward Snowden was a smart kid. The government hired him yet he didn't have any degrees. Shows no sign of deception in interviews.

Phone question from a listener. The hitchhiker effect. Could relate it with hauntings. Could it attach itself to an entity/company/private contractor?

J: If contractor involved with UAP, maybe. I had poltergeist activity in my house for years.

Thursday, December 19, 2013

UFO Exploration Continued By Discovery Communications | VIDEO

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UFO Exploration Continued By Discovery Communications

By Jason McClellan
www.openminds.tv
12-17-13

     The American-based mass media company Discovery Communications continues to flood the market with UFO-related programming on television.

On Sunday, December 15, Discovery’s Animal Planet premiered an episode of a new show titled Uncovering Aliens. In the episode, the show’s team of investigators go to Sedona, Arizona to explore claims of UFO sightings and a possible government cover-up.

In August 2013, Discovery picked up the show Unsealed: Alien Files and added it to the company’s Destination America channel with an aggressive schedule of forty new episodes.

Another show on Destination America titled Monsters and Mysteries in America also features stories of UFOs and extraterrestrial encounters. . . .

Tuesday, October 29, 2013

Alleged 'Alien Abductions' Lambasted By Paul Barry, Host of Australia's Media Watch



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Alleged 'Alien Abduction' Lambasted By Paul Barry, Host of Australia's Media Watch

Facts abducted by aliens at NT News

By www.abc.net.au
10-28-13

      Hello I’m Paul Barry, welcome to Media Watch.

And it seems all is not well in the Top End of Australia.

As Darwin’s NT News warned us two weeks ago in a story accompanying that front page ALIEN ALERT:


The Northern Territory is famous for its UFO activity especially in the dry season which brings clear skies and alien sightings every year ... particularly in the NT News.

But the abduction of Territorians for breeding purposes is a disturbing new development:
Mr Ferguson said many abductees recalled lying on a table under bright lights during their time on motherships.

“Some remember being dazed and seeing entities in little grey suits walking around them.”

— NT News, 10th October, 2013
UFOlogist Alan Ferguson told the NT News he’d talked to several of these abductees about their alien experience. . . .

. . . But on this occasion the UFOlogist is not happy.

On his blog UFO Territory last week he claimed he had been misquoted about the starfish probe and about the entities in grey suits— which the NT News denies —and that he had been made to look like a fool. . . .

Monday, July 22, 2013

South Mississippi has History of UFO Sightings


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By CHRISTINA STEUBE
www.sunherald.com
7-20-13


      Almost 40 years after two men said they were abducted by a UFO over the Pascagoula River, Coast residents still occasionally spot strange objects in the sky.

On Oct. 11, 1973, Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker, co-workers at a shipyard, said they were fishing on the Pascagoula River when a spacecraft came near them and four creatures took them aboard.

Biloxi police Sgt. Jackie Rhodes said he has received a few calls about UFO sightings since he has been with the department, but dispatchers have a process to follow if they get these calls.

"Every now and then we'll get a call about something suspicious in the sky," he said. "We respond any time someone calls for service."

Rhodes said the department treats the call as a suspicious circumstance and will dispatch officers to the area, talk to the person who called and file a report, if necessary.

Pascagoula police Sgt. Doug Adams said his department follows the same procedure and although it hasn't recently gotten any calls about UFO sightings, officials have investigated calls about suspicious loud sounds.

Adams said officers are sent to the area and contact local industries and military bases, but most of the time they are unable to determine the cause. . . .

Monday, September 10, 2012

Self-Proclaimed Alien Abductees Speak in Gorham, Maine | UFO NEWS


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By Beth Quimby
www.kjonline.com
9-9-12
GORHAM -- Jim O'Connell, a Connecticut screenwriter and producer of "Terrestrial Extras," a film based on his experiences as an alien abductee, set the stage at the Experiencers Speak conference Saturday.

O'Connell told the audience to be on the lookout for an extraterrestrial being who poses as a red-haired woman who communicates telepathically. The woman, O'Connell warned, has been known to stalk him at conferences where the subject focuses on close encounters with non-earthlings.

"They seem to be following me," said O'Connell.

Suitably spooked, the audience at 25 School St. settled in for 12 hours of talks by a dozen speakers, many of whom say they had been abducted by beings from another planet or conduct UFO research.

The conference was organized by sisters, Audrey and Debbie "Starborn" Hewins of Mechanic Falls. The twins, 39, started a national support group for abductees, Starborn Support, after what they describe as a lifelong series of encounters with extraterrestrials. . . .

Tuesday, October 26, 2010

In The Days of My Youth: Why Do Childhood Abduction Memories Seem To Be Clearer In Many Abductees?

Alien Abduction



By David Andrew
http://dandrew.homestead.com
© 10-21-10

David Andrew     In speaking with abductees over the years and comparing some of what they shared with me to my own experiences I noticed something odd. A lot of these people including me have some of our clearest and most complete encounter memories from things we experienced as children. This puzzled me greatly because I normally would have thought an adult would notice and remember details and subtleties of their experiences more clearly.

I have already done quite a bit of research in the past on memory and how memories are formed and stored in the human brain. In continuing my research on memory for this particular article, a strange synchronicity presented itself. Just by chance I stumbled upon a relevant article from one of the science related websites I like to visit. The two researchers who authored that article had done research into why The U.S. legal system has long assumed that all testimony is not equally credible and that some witnesses are more reliable than others. More specifically, in tough cases with child witnesses, the U.S. legal system assumes adult witnesses to be more reliable. In the abduction research field, similar assumptions have been made about the reliability of an adult’s memory as opposed to a child’s memory. This assumption about the accuracy of adult memories regarding abduction experiences seemed to be in direct contradiction to what I was finding in my research. Two paragraphs from the article I stumbled upon shed some new light on this contradiction I was finding:

Researchers Valerie Reyna and Chuck Brainerd, both from Cornell University, argue that memories are captured and recorded separately and differently in two distinct parts of the mind. They say children depend more heavily on a part of the mind that records, "what actually happened," while adults depend more on another part of the mind that records, "the meaning of what happened." As a result, they say, adults are more susceptible to false memories, which can be extremely problematic in court cases.

Their research shows that meaning-based memories are largely responsible for false memories, especially in adult witnesses. Because the ability to extract meaning from experience develops slowly, children are less likely to produce these false memories than adults, and are more likely to give accurate testimony when properly questioned.

If the findings of their research are applied to the abduction topic then, it speaks volumes to the question of why life-long abductees seem to have more complete memories from their childhood abduction encounters. Many abduction researchers have long held a belief that perception is largely responsible for some of the wide variations in abduction stories from adults. I have to wonder here if the way an adult mind stores and interprets memories is the reason for these differences in perception. If adults depend more on another part of the mind that records, "the meaning of what happened” and as a result, adults are more susceptible to false memories then, is this factor made even more dramatic through the use of hypnotic regression?

Some abduction researchers have tried to look at childhood abduction stories as part of their research. I think many of them have fallen into the trap of trying to interpret the stories they were told or they have tried to make sense of them by assigning some “meaning” to them. Trying to interview children on the abduction topic can be problematic in our modern day society and it is something I do not advise. I think it is wise to interview potential abductees after they have reached legal adult status. I say this because in some instances it can have legal ramifications and, as adults researching the abduction topic we can inadvertently misinterpret something through our need to understand. There is also the danger of coloring a child’s perception about their experiences with our ideals of the “why” and “what-for” behind the abduction phenomenon.

Personally I think interviewing adults who have had life long abduction experiences and focusing on just their childhood memories could yield previously overlooked correlations. I think such stories should be related and recorded without the use of hypnosis. With a little effort and guidance people can train themselves to be objective when recalling their childhood abduction experiences. If these accounts are related “as is” from abductees and recorded “as is” in an objective manner by researchers, I do think we might move one step closer to understanding the real “why” behind the abduction phenomenon. There may be facts about the abduction phenomenon that have been in front of us all along that have gone unnoticed. Facts that if taken at face value might present themselves more clearly if viewed through the eyes and the mind of a child.

Tuesday, July 13, 2010

An Open Letter to Abductees

An Open Letter to Abductees


Part 1

     Decades ago, those who endeavored to research UFO’s concentrated their efforts strictly on the UFO phenomenon. As time passed, reports and testimony started to surface from persons claiming to have had encounters with the occupants of some of these UFO’s. At that time most if not all UFO researchers elected to distance themselves from these contact and abduction stories. Most researchers felt that many of these abduction stories were just too bizarre and strange and it was hard enough to convince people of the validity of the UFO phenomenon without adding the abduction aspect. As the UFO topic gained wider acceptance, more people elected to come forward and share their stories of up close encounters with the occupants of UFO’s. Eventually the numbers of such encounter reports had grown to the point that researchers were faced with having to acknowledge the fact that the
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UFO and abduction phenomena were related. After enough people had chosen to speak out about what was happening to them, small similarities in some of these experiences became apparent. It was at this point that a handful of researchers began to focus their efforts on the abduction phenomenon exclusively. From these initial efforts to study abductions more closely and on up to the present, abduction research has yielded some useful data. Unfortunately, continued research has in many ways created even more questions than it has found answers. After all this time, the answer to the question of “Why” still remains just as elusive as it did in the early days of abduction research.

Today many abductees are less fearful of speaking publicly about their experiences and many have chosen to do so. Personally I have gained a little more insight into the abduction phenomenon from speaking to others about their experiences and sharing my own experiences with them. For the most part I have no regrets about talking to others about my own encounters. Throughout all the research I have done a lingering question has always been in the back of my mind. That question is why do we choose to speak out? Why do some of us feel the need to talk about our experiences and, does it really accomplish anything? By talking to each other we can find the differences in our experiences as well as find some of the commonalities that might present themselves and I do believe this is useful. It surely gives comfort to the experiencer to know they are not totally alone in all this and to know that others are having encounters as well. Even with those benefits, a cold hard reality must be faced by all experiencers whether they want to admit it or not. That reality is that when it comes right down to it, we can speak out all we want and speak with each other all we want but whenever an abduction experience occurs to any of us no one else can stop it, change it, or explain why it is happening to us. Through all this the answers to the really big questions about what is happening to us still won’t be found. Abduction research can only go so far by its current methodology and I think it has reached its limits in what it can discover or uncover.

~Science, Skepticism and Guesswork~

Sometimes in scientific analysis stumbling blocks and unforeseen difficulties can occur that make finding the “What it is” answers difficult. Many times in such instances, researchers might choose to change their research tactics and use a process of elimination method. They eliminate all the things that what they are researching “is not” to hopefully get closer to “what it is.” Are you familiar with the quote by Arthur Conan Doyle that says, “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.” Skeptics of the abduction phenomenon have long used a list of “possibilities” that they claim can explain away all abductions in conventional terms. Things such as sleep paralysis, hallucinations, chemical imbalances in the brain, physical or sexual abuse, and even mental illness have been presented by skeptics as possible explanations for stories of abductions.

In the twenty years or so that I have been researching the abduction phenomenon, there is an aspect of this topic that has presented itself repeatedly. This aspect is the fact that in some cases, the skeptics list of explanations for why people think they have been abducted does apply. I have met many people who think they have been abducted or claim to be abductees when they are not. I do feel that there are some people who have had an episode or episodes of sleep paralysis and mistaken this to be an indication they were abducted. Sadly I have also met several people who claim to be abductees and, after speaking with them at length it becomes very apparent that they have serious issues and alien abduction isn’t one of them. Additionally there are also some medically proven physiological problems that can cause a person to hallucinate. To be as objective a researcher as I can I must be willing to consider these factors as well as the possibility that someone might be a genuine abductee.

I heard of a well known author who experimented with several types of hallucinogenic plants used by native shamans in South America. He claims that his research shows a similarity in the substances in these plants and a chemical found in trace amounts in the human body called Dimethyltryptamine (DMT). While under the influence of this hallucinogen he claims to have had “visions” of beings that are very similar to descriptions of some extraterrestrials given by abductees. He feels that some people have occurrences where the DMT levels in their bodies rise or spike unnaturally causing them to hallucinate and he thinks this is the explanation for people thinking they were abducted. I know from my research and the research of others that all of these “possible causes” previously mentioned could be considered as explanations for some people thinking they are abductees but, they are not explanations for all the people who say they have been abducted.

It has been known by abduction researchers for quite some time now that in many cases the abduction phenomenon is “generational”. This term means that persons from several generations of a family are abductees. Stories you hear from abductees often mention medical type procedures being conducted on them by the extraterrestrials. Sometimes these procedures include physical samples; hair, skin, ova or sperm, being taken from the abductee. It is clear to me and other researchers that there is a definite physiological research aspect to what the extraterrestrials are doing with abductees and also a possible psychological/mental aspect to it. They are looking for and, testing for something but what, and why?

Part 2

~Throwing Down the Gauntlet~

I used the sub-heading of, “Throwing Down the Gauntlet” for the second part of this article because in a way that’s what I’m going to do now. Be forewarned, what I am going to suggest might be even more frightening to some abductees than their own abduction experiences are. Of my fellow experiencers I would encourage you to ask yourself, “Why do you want to speak out about your experiences” and, “Are you really interested in finding some answers”? If you were honest with yourself and you still want to speak out to try to find further answers as to why this might be happening to any of us then, take a deep breath, brace yourself, and read on.

Most abduction researchers record and document the stories they hear from abductees in the hopes of finding similarities and correlations that might shed some light on this phenomenon. They also try to find any form of physical trace evidence that might be present after a person has had an abduction experience. Both of these methodologies have yielded some useful and interesting information but, in my opinion one of the most important resources we have for furthering abduction research remains largely untapped. This resource is the very same thing that seems to be the focus of the extraterrestrial’s activities during abductions. It is the physical body and brain of abductees as well as certain aspects of our mental processes. Like me you may have heard that many abductees are of the same blood type. This may be true but, have you ever seen the recorded data that supports this statement? I know I haven’t seen such data or been able to find it anywhere. This sort of data could be very useful toward understanding the “why” about abductions but, it is still only one piece. We need more pieces of the puzzle to have any hope of understanding the bigger picture in all this.

I feel that as much hard, tested, and analyzed medical data as we can get from abductees could lead us much closer to some real answers about why abductions are occurring and why they occur to specific people or along family lines. I also feel such testing should include a full psychological profile as well as IQ testing. I know that suggesting abductees willingly submit themselves for in depth medical and psychological testing is probably the scariest and most reprehensible thing I can suggest. It is not my intent to be insensitive here but the bottom line is if we really want to get any closer to the truth about the abduction phenomenon then we have to step up and put our money where our mouths are so to speak. To my fellow abductees I say this; these beings (the ET’s) come and go in our lives and include us in their agenda whether we want to be involved or not. Dozens of non-experiencer abduction researchers study our stories and try to tell us what they think is going on. We seek out each other and talk and share our stories to find some comfort but we are still no closer to answering the big questions of why abductions happen or why they happen to us. The extraterrestrials test us, poke and prod us, take samples from us and yet it seems to me that none of us have ever considered using this very same resource to try to find some answers for ourselves. Abductees need to remember that we are the evidence that abductions occur and we are the evidence that might reveal what the extraterrestrial’s agenda is.

Most people might possibly understand my suggestion of medical testing involving abductees. They might be puzzled however, by the suggestion of psychological testing and types of brain function testing. Many abductees have reported what they perceived as an interest by the extraterrestrials in the abductees emotions and mental abilities. There seems to be something about our thought processes and our emotional responses that are of interest to them in addition to the physiological component of abductions. Psychological tests, IQ tests, Brain Wave Mapping, Neuropsychometric testing and ESP tests could show if there is something different or unique in abductees thought processes and brain function. All of the testing done has the possibility to serve a double purpose which could work in our favor. Imagine if the things skeptics claim are explanations for abductions, things such as chemical imbalances in the brain or body, mental illness, and hallucinations are not found to be present in the participants. If the absence of these things were documented and verified by qualified MD’s and PhD’s in Psychology then we would have some pretty strong scientific evidence to prove the skeptics claims are wrong.

I know many of these types of tests can be costly and, a research project of this type would eventually need some serious funding to achieve its highest goals. Personally I think the ultimate testing would be DNA mapping and analysis but, that would also be the most expensive testing that could be done. There are some things however that would cost very little and they could be a good starting point for a research project of this nature. Documented blood typing and a detailed medical history from each abductee participating in the study would be a good basis to build on. On the question of funding for the more expensive tests that could be done I would like to point out a few things. I have a hunch that there are qualified medical professionals and mental health professionals who are open to the idea that the abduction phenomenon is real, and some of these people would jump at the chance to be involved in such a research project. I also have a hunch that a lot of these people would donate their time and expertise for the possibility of finding some real answers about the abduction phenomenon. I say this because I have personally met a few psychologists and MD’s who were not only open to the idea of abductions but, were actually abductees themselves. People from all manner of professions have reported being abducted and this shows that the abduction phenomenon does not discriminate in that regard.

The funding for the more expensive lab and medical testing is the greatest of several hurdles to overcome but I do think this goal could be accomplished as well. Stop and consider how many people pay to attend UFO/Abduction conferences and donate money to other research groups and websites. These avenues and outlets for research information sharing are important but, there is an overabundance of such things. I’m not trying to make light of anyone else’s research but I honestly believe a research project of this nature could yield some of the best information to date that could answer some of the most pressing questions about the abduction phenomenon.

I understand the personal risk for all involved is a grave concern, especially for the abductees. Maybe some of us have considered being involved in a research project like this but the fear of attempting such an undertaking is too great. This fear of trying because of possible personal repercussions is the first and most important thing that should be addressed. To get enough abductees to agree to this sort of thing we would have to have an absolute guarantee that our identity and personal information be protected and secure and that any samples taken from us must also be kept secure. Any medical or mental health professionals who would be willing to help conduct and analyze the research must also have a guarantee of anonymity if necessary. I think the second thing that should be addressed is the actions of the researchers and their accountability for their actions if such a study were ever conducted. On both these points and many others a “contractual agreement” comes to mind. A legal and binding contract in addition to a non-disclosure agreement should be signed by all persons involved. I feel that a hefty monetary loss as a penalty for breaking the contract in any way should be stipulated in the contract. It should also be agreed to by all involved that none of the information or data gathered from such a study will be used for monetary gain in any way and, this data will not be used by anyone to further their careers or be used to put them in the limelight. Once the data is analyzed and some conclusions can be drawn all parties agree to distribute the analysis results to anyone for free.

How many years now have we been hearing people talk about abductions and report being abducted? The whole time this topic was gaining more widespread interest and acceptance there has always been a resource of possible evidence that could answer the deeper questions about abductions. This resource is us, the abductees. Our stories can only bring some information about abductions to light. We need to be brave and change our research tactics to focus on the very things the extraterrestrials seem to focus on during abductions. Answers to the core questions about abductions are not just going to be handed to us. These answers are only going to be found through aggressive, pro-active research. Most abductees have had to face and endure abduction encounters for their whole lives. Don’t we have a right to seek the answers to our deepest questions about this phenomenon? As abductees we are on the “front lines” of this phenomenon so, don’t you think we have earned the right to get some answers?

Wednesday, August 19, 2009

LARRY KING:
Abducted by Aliens?!
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Abducted by Aliens - The Larry King Show
By CNN/Larry King Live
8-19-09

     Aliens!! They're in the news and NASA's looking for them. Is there evidence of their existence? Believers and disbelievers weigh in. Plus, a first-hand account from someone who claims they've been abducted!

THE FAITH-BASED SCIENCE OF SUSAN CLANCY

Abducted - how people come to believe they were kidnapped by aliens
By Bud Hopkins
Intruders Foundation
© 2005 - 2009


Bud Hopkins The literate world is well aware that a controversy about the reality of the UFO phenomenon has raged for decades. Arrayed on one side are the enthusiasts - the casual, the serious and the bizarre - along with thousands of highly qualified pilot-witnesses, high-ranking military personnel, intensely interested scientists, and even an astronaut or two. All regard the hundreds of thousands of global sighting reports as a scientific problem of major significance, and all demand that science finally conducts a thorough, objective investigation. Centrally opposed to this position are a large number of mainstream scientists, most of whom are not only indifferent to the subject of UFOs, but also grossly uninformed about the weight of the evidence. Allied with them is a strange amalgam of groups that includes official spokesmen for the United States Air Force, Bible Belt Fundamentalist preachers such as Pat Robertson, and a small but vociferous band of self-described "rationalist" debunkers (who probably look upon their religious brethren as hopelessly superstitious). Clearly, the battle against a scientific investigation of the UFO phenomenon makes strange bedfellows.

     A few years ago, when those of us in the research community heard rumors of a two-tiered scientific investigation to be undertaken at Harvard University by experimental psychologists Richard McNally and Susan Clancy, we were curious but wary. Dr. McNally, we were told, intended to test a group of self-described UFO abductees for the presence of certain symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder. He would employ as a model a similar test used years before, in which a group of Vietnam veterans tape recorded their traumatic war experiences and then, at a later time, were scientifically measured for signs of stress as they heard their taped accounts played back. Dr. Clancy planned to employ a word memorization test, which was supposed to reveal a subject's tendency towards false memories. Unfortunately, neither McNally nor Clancy intended to carry out any actual investigations of UFO abduction reports or examine any physical evidence. They would remain in the laboratory, limiting their project to the ostensibly scientific testing of their abductee subjects' veracity.

     Early in the Susan Clancy enterprise, any hopes I had for her objectivity evaporated when I learned that her purported abductee subjects were to be self-selected. She had placed ads in a number of newspapers, asking for those who believed they had had UFO abduction experiences to contact her. Little or no vetting took place, and her unscientific protocol thus opened the laboratory door to anyone who claimed to be an abductee. Her subjects were not a group whose accounts had been investigated and accepted as reliable by experienced researchers, but instead, Clancy accepted virtually anyone who came in off the street and told her they were, indeed, abductees. Some of her subjects had such tenuous, even vapid reasons for believing they were abductees - a "mysterious bruise" or a "vague feeling" - that knowledgeable researchers would have immediately shown them the door. The uncritical Dr. Clancy, however, made them part of the "abductee" group she studied!

     Anyone familiar with the phenomenon is aware that very few abductees will come forward to discuss their experiences publicly, or to subject themselves to "testing" of any kind by people or organizations that they do not know and trust. Doing so would be to run the very real risk of becoming targets for career-threatening ridicule. Obviously, the more highly credentialed abductees are the most hesitant to volunteer as test subjects because they have the most to lose. Neither the NASA research scientist, the NASA engineer, nor the many psychiatrists, psychologists, police officers and military professionals who, over the years, have reported their abduction experiences to me, would ever involve themselves in what might well turn out to be sensationalist and incompetently mounted tests of one kind or another. Adding to that basic flaw in her study, my second concern had to do with the fact that neither Clancy, whom I had twice met, nor McNally made any attempt to contact Dr. David Jacobs or me. They were both undoubtedly aware that the two of us have accumulated between us masses of data after decades of work with literally hundreds of abductees. We were never consulted on any issue, nor was our help in vetting test subjects called for. In retrospect, Dr. Jacobs and I could have easily prevented the two testers - innocent of the complex work of actual investigation - from making many of the egregious errors which have so seriously damaged their work.

     The results of McNally's test for signs of posttraumatic stress disorder were significant. Those reporting abductions showed virtually the same intensely emotional reactions upon hearing their taped accounts replayed as did the Vietnam vets when they heard the tapes of their traumatic war experiences. But as we soon learned in McNally's analysis of the test results, the devil was not in the details themselves but in his interpretation of the details. He announced that, since we "know" that UFO abductions don't exist, all of his subjects' accounts have to be false memories. And since they registered just as powerfully as "true" memories, what the test shows, he explained, is that "false" memories can be just as traumatic as "real" memories! This classic illustration of "heads I win, tails you lose" circular reasoning provides a perfect example of ideology trumping science. Unfortunately, as astronomer J. Allen Hynek once remarked, science is not always what scientists do. In effect, McNally seemed to be saying that even if his own test results support the traumatic reality of the abduction phenomenon, that fact changes nothing since UFO ABDUCTIONS JUST DO NOT EXIST, and that somehow, someway, he will make his test results fit his hypothesis! McNally's ideological interpretation of the test results - a clear example of "faith-based science" - is just as rigid in its way as the creationists' willful denigration of evolution, no matter what the fossil records have revealed.

     Susan Clancy's word memorization test as an indication of false memories is far more tenuous than McNally's test for the presence of posttraumatic stress. (This is perhaps not the place to go into its technical inadequacies, other than to reiterate what I have already said about its fatal flaw - the reliance upon an unvetted, self-selected sample. I will return to the specifics of her work in a later paper.) Instead, the problem I would like to discuss is her use of a rather simple word memorization protocol to ratify her belief that a subject's demonstrably traumatic memories are false. Clancy baldly stated in an early newspaper interview that she assumed everyone would accept the idea that all abduction experiences were false memories, because "everyone" knew there were no such things as UFO abductions. This, she apparently thought, was settled truth - and another illustration of irrational, faith-based science. So, at the outset of their work, neither she nor McNally intended to raise even the possibility that such things as UFO abductions might have occurred, let alone to actually investigate that possibility. The ideology they shared assumed that such experiences were, ipso facto, false memories, a theory the two seem to believe as fervently as the Pope believes in the virgin birth.

     Another analogy comes to mind. Instead of a group of abductees, imagine an equal number of women who have reported rape experiences and who are now to be tested by a pair of experimental psychologists. The psychologists state at the outset that they do not believe any of these women were actually raped and are proceeding on that assumption. Thus their goal is not to investigate the veracity of the women's claims but to discover a way of establishing their "tendencies to fantasize and form false memories." Since the testers "know" in advance that these rape memories are false, no police investigation into the alleged rape accounts is necessary - no examination of physical or medical evidence, no visits to alleged crime scenes, no interviews with possible witnesses, and no checks on the reputations of the rape victims. In short, nothing will be undertaken that might support the reality of their experiences. An outrageous, even inhumane idea, of course, but analogous to the Clancy-McNally attitude to UFO abductees.

     As I pointed out above, Clancy carried out no investigation of any of her subjects' abduction reports - no inquiries into supporting witnesses, no visits to alleged sites, no search for physical evidence, no interviews with friends and family members. Everything she did apparently took place in the laboratory, by way of her word memorization test and personal interviews, though she apparently lacked a firm grounding in the literature, history or complexity of the UFO phenomenon. Recently I appeared on "Larry King Live," along with Clancy and several others, when one of the guests showed a blow-up of the world-famous Trent UFO photographs from McMinnville, Oregon, arguably the best-known UFO photos in existence. They were prominently featured in "Life" magazine in 1950, and have been reproduced hundreds of times since in many publications. What's more, in 1969, after careful analysis, an investigator for the skeptical Condon Committee described the McMinnville photo case this way: "This is one of the few UFO reports in which all factors investigated, geometric, psychological, and physical, appear to be consistent with the assertion that an extraordinary flying object, silvery, metallic, disc-shaped, tens of meters in diameter, and evidently artificial, flew within sight of two witnesses." Optical physicist Dr. Bruce Maccabee has investigated this case thoroughly, flying to McMinneville, interviewing the Trents, their family and neighbors, taking his own test photos from the same location, and carrying out literally months of optical analysis of the original pictures. Maccabee's work has been published widely, but the photos themselves should be familiar to anyone with even a cursory involvement in UFO study and research. Yet, during the Larry King program, abduction authority Susan Clancy glanced at the photos on the monitor and said something like this: "that could be anything...someone who threw up a hubcap or a Frisbee or something." Her evident ignorance of this case, and, by extension, of the literature and history of the UFO phenomenon, was aptly illustrated by this glib, contemptuous wisecrack, a remark one might expect to hear late at night in a Texas barroom, but not from someone holding a Ph.D. degree from Harvard. Earlier, when King asked her how she became interested in the subject of UFO abductions, she began her answer this way: "I've been studying aliens for..." Studying aliens? Again, this peculiar description of her work in the laboratory is not what one would expect to hear from an experimental psychologist on an ostensibly serious TV program.

     Though as a faith-based scientist, Susan Clancy has no problem asserting her absolute belief that all UFO abduction accounts are nothing more than false memories, she is left with the problem of explaining how these memories are generated. By what process can many thousands of extremely similar accounts from around the world come into the heads of this multitude - especially since her colleague, Richard McNally, has established that abduction memories have essentially the same traumatic qualities as memories of the Vietnam War? Clancy's solution was to cobble together a melange of theories, many of them mutually contradictory, in an attempt to account for the power and similarity of these "false" memories. Abduction researchers have long been familiar with the explanations Clancy offers, and over the years we have refused to deal with many individuals whose abduction accounts are either extremely tenuous, lacking in evidence, or easily explained away. Where we differ from Clancy is that she insists upon her a priori belief that every abduction case can be explained away by her various theories and that no actual investigation is necessary, whereas experienced investigators, being scientific skeptics, believe that abduction accounts, accompanied by supporting evidence of various types, deserve investigation before firm conclusions about their credibility can be drawn.

     Her first explanation - one that is currently popular with debunkers of every stripe - is that abduction memories are formed during episodes of sleep paralysis, a relatively rare neurological event that usually lasts a matter of seconds. The sleep paralysis explanation has been eagerly seized upon because a sizeable percentage of UFO abductions occur at night, in the subject's bedroom. There are, of course, myriad objections to the sleep paralysis theory, but it clearly self-destructs before one central problem: the large percentage of UFO abductions which occur in the daytime, when the abductee is up and about, driving a car, taking a walk, playing in the front yard, or even, in one case, driving a tractor. In fact, for the first twenty years of UFO abduction accounts, I am aware of none that reportedly took place inside one's home or bedroom. So, as science decrees, if a theory does not fit the data, it must be rejected.

     Clancy also indicts the use of hypnosis as the medium by which false memories are implanted in unsuspecting clients by unscrupulous hypnotists. The problem with this theory is that about 30% of the thousands of UFO abduction reports researchers have investigated were recalled without the use of hypnosis. Beyond that, virtually all abductees recall at least some aspects of their experiences without hypnosis. Otherwise, they would have had no reason to contact an investigator in the first place. In the light of these facts, the "hypnosis explanation" as to how "false" abduction recollections are generated also collapses.

     It should be added that further doubts about the efficacy of hypnosis in inducing false memories have been raised by recent experimental studies, such as the work of psychologists Steven Lynn and Irving Kirsch. They summarize their results this way: "The most appropriate conclusion that can be drawn from the evidence is that hypnosis does not reliably produce more false memories than are produced in a variety of non-hypnotic situations in which misleading information is conveyed to participants." It is also a matter of record that many hypnotherapists with no knowledge of the abduction phenomenon have, to their surprise, uncovered traumatic abduction recollections in subjects with whom they were working. In fact, Dr. Benjamin Simon, a psychiatrist highly skeptical of UFO reality who was treating Betty and Barney Hill for post traumatic stress, uncovered details of their terrifying abduction experience in what is now seen as the first systematically investigated UFO abduction case. Obviously, during hypnosis, his personal skepticism had no effect whatsoever on the Hills' recollections. There are many reasons to trust the process of hypnosis, if it is handled carefully and skeptically, with the use of false leads and other validating techniques (all of which I have discussed elsewhere). But it should be clear by now that objective science must reject Clancy's theory that hypnosis per se is implicated in the wholesale generation of false memories.

     One of the early theories used to explain UFO abduction reports insisted that such experiences were nothing more than a new "space age religion." Since the gods are supposedly dead, abductees have invented encounters with "godlike" alien beings to replace them. But that highly speculative theory was discounted years ago by serious researchers on both sides of the issue because of yet another major problem: the vast majority of UFO abductees feel that their abductions have been deeply traumatizing - sometimes even physically painful and injurious - and that the small, hairless, big-eyed UFO occupants they describe are anything but godlike. (Richard McNally's own test results buttress this abductee view). It should be pointed out, however, that one occasionally comes across an abductee who is fully aware of the emotional trauma he has suffered, but who is nevertheless willing to regard these experiences as being, in some way, spiritually uplifting. For such people, this positive view of traumatic events is probably a coping strategy, similar to that of certain battered wives who will not complain to the police, but instead insist that their abusive husbands really do love them. Perhaps, for some battered wives as well as for some traumatized abductees, this kind of coping strategy is a way of retaining one's self esteem by fighting off the sense of being a helpless victim and by insisting that somewhere, somehow their ordeals must have a silver lining. One is reminded of the many victims of Hurricane Katrina who have lost everything but whom, when interviewed on television, cling to the idea that their ghastly experiences have somehow been transformative and spiritually uplifting.

     Equally damning of Clancy's religious explanation is the fact that the UFO reports of many abductees in more primitive cultures describe exactly the same details as do abductees in more advanced cultures, and yet these more primitive people work assiduously to make their UFO experiences fit into the schema of their traditional religions. Thus, in a well-known Zimbabwe incident, the natives who described small, white-skinned aliens in shiny one-piece jumpsuits insisted that they were the ghosts of their ancestors, who can now, apparently, fly around in wingless metal discs. Clancy would have us believe that many previously religious people have simply dropped their traditional beliefs and begun to worship the abducting aliens in a new kind of "false-memory religion," but in cases such as this African incident, the natives did the opposite. They forced the conventional "space age" UFO and the white-skinned aliens they had actually observed into strained conformity with their pre-existing religious beliefs. Thus their UFO experience can be seen as strengthening their traditional beliefs, rather than replacing them.

     Another shaky explanation Clancy mentions is that of media contamination. According to this idea, perfectly normal people are so influenced by something they've seen on TV or read in a book that, like helpless sponges, they adopt details from other people's abduction accounts and thus weave tenaciously held false memories from "an odd bruise" or a "strange feeling" or something equally tenuous. It is unnecessary to point out that experienced investigators would, at the outset, recognize these "wannabes" for what they were and refuse to deal with them. Furthermore, it seems obvious that these newly minted "wannabes" would be among the first to answer Clancy's ads soliciting abductees for her tests, because, in doing so they would achieve legitimacy by becoming part of her sample. Thus the central point of her "contamination" argument brilliantly exposes the original and most damaging flaw in her methodology: the self-selected and therefore completely unrepresentative nature of her subjects.

     So who were the people Clancy was attempting to test? Were there some apparently legitimate abductees among her sample? Possibly. Were there wannabes, publicity seekers and emotionally unstable people among her sample? Undoubtedly. And under these conditions, what kind of valid generalizations could she possibly make about the UFO abduction phenomenon?

     In the light of these crippling problems in her methodology, we must briefly consider which areas of the complex, many-sided abduction phenomenon which Clancy's faith-based attitude refused to consider. What kinds of data did she overlook? Here, briefly, are some examples:
# 1. She included no study of the patterns of well-known and clearly defined physical sequelae - scoop marks and straight-line cuts - that frequently appear on individuals after their abductions.

# 2. She included no reference to the patterns of ground traces - altered soil, tree branches snapped off from the top down, affects on the surrounding foliage, etc. that are often discovered at UFO landing sites after abductions.

# 3. She made no mention of the eye-witness testimony of neighbors observing a UFO hovering over a house where an abduction is taking place; of witnesses who search in vain for an abducted child who is later found outside a fully locked house; of the incidents in which the police are summoned because of the temporary disappearance of a baby from his crib or a child from her bedroom, but who turn up, unobserved, an hour or so later; or hundreds of similar cases in which abductees are known to be inexplicably missing.

# 4. She made no mention of the bizarre errors the UFO occupants often make, such as returning individuals from group abductions wearing someone else's clothes; replacing abductees in the wrong room or building after an abduction; or returning an individual to her bedroom in a locked and bolted house with her feet soiled and the back of her nightgown covered with damp leaves; or any of the scores of other such significant errors.

# 5. She made no mention of the hundreds of cases in which two or more individuals are abducted at once, and whose traumatic memories match in every detail.

# 6. She made no mention of a few accounts - such as the Travis Walton case or the Linda Cortile abduction - in which numerous witnesses see all or part of the abduction as it is being carried out.

# 7. She made no effort to interview the friends and family members of the people in her sample, or in fact anyone who might have insight into their general trustworthiness and emotional soundness. Instead, Susan Clancy alone, because of her faith in the non-existence of UFO abductions, decided that all of her subjects' abduction accounts were false, and that all of their traumatic recollections were nothing more than false memories. She is therefore implying - indirectly but absolutely - that none of her subjects can tell the difference between dream and reality. To the public at large, this means, in effect, that an experimental psychologist with a Harvard degree believes everyone claiming UFO abduction experiences is suffering from a form of mental illness.
      For me, in the absence of any actual investigation of their accounts, such a radical, blanket condemnation by Susan Clancy of her innocent and naively trusting subjects is both ethically reprehensible and a disgrace to science.