Are You 'Fallowing' Me? | Red Flags in Romanek, Alien Abduction Claims (Redux)

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By James Carrion Follow The Magic Thread © 10-10-09/14

Editor’s Note: Given the current media attention on self-proclaimed alien abductee, Stan Romanek, after being arrested on child pornography charges, we present one of several articles penned by former MUFON head, James Carrion which calls into question, many of Romanek’s claims.

    Stan Romanek recently took his story to the air waves on the Angela Joiner report to explain why the word fallow always seem to be showing up in documents related to his alleged claims of alien abduction and government conspiracy. Blogger Chuck Zukowski recently posted an article supporting Stan's claims that the word "fallow" was a commonly misspelled word and was not evidence of any impropriety in his case. Well, I guess every word in the English language is mangled and misspelled to one extent or the other, but that is not what makes this misspelled word a GIANT, IMPOSSIBLE TO IGNORE, red flag in the Romanek case. Let me spell out the problem in plain English:

The word fallow shows up in Stan's original UFO reports to the National UFO Reporting Center.

• The word fallow shows up in the UFO report to the National UFO Reporting Center by a 3rd party witness that allegedly had no relationship to Stan Romanek but corroborates one of his sightings.

• The word fallow shows up in an alleged Air Force document that Stan mysteriously received in his mailbox, subject "Project Romanek"

• The word fallow shows up on the Jeff Rense website in an online posting by alleged physicist John Mannon who supports Stan's story.

• The word fallow shows up on the Above TopSecret.com website in a posting by another alleged physicist (TommyBoy) who supports Stan's claims.

The fact that the word fallow got mispelled in any single document or online posting is not the issue but that the mispelled word shows up in so many third party documents supporting Stan's claims -third parties that allegedly have no relationship or connection with Stan. What are the odds that all of these third parties mispelled this same word (in documents supportive of Stan), is due to chance? The Romanek's don't want you to mull this over using critical thinking but would rather try to refocus your attention on the word fallow being a commonly mispelled word. I don't buy their argument and I continue to consider it a red flag until one or more of these third parties come forward and prove themselves to be real people. Will the real John Mannon please step up? Not by posting again to the anonymous Internet but showing some ID in person so you can be verified to be a real physicist.

Now I have said it before and I will say it again, if the Romaneks want to prove their claims, then they should release ALL of their alleged video and photo evidence for the world and independent researchers to examine and analyze. Instead they have tried to paint that I am on some sort of personal vendetta to discredit their claims. Taking their claims to the airwaves and the blogs with "I don't know how that word got there" and "it is really no big deal" counter arguments is not going to settle this matter. Neither is trying to portray this as MUFON vs Romanek or Carrion vs Romanek.

So critical thinkers, put on your thinking caps and weigh the evidence, and if you are a statistician, take it a step further and calculate the odds. Are you fallowing me here?

* Special Thanks To James Carrion

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Digging Away

By James Carrion
Follow The Magic Thread
1-10-10

      In response to Rick Nelson’s article “Using Your Own Common Sense in UFO Investigations” posted here:
How timely Mr. Nelson that you took the time to further elaborate on the Stan Romanek case and why we don’t see eye to eye on Stan. Case in point:

Let me quote your article if I may:

“I have found certain actions and conduct by Mr. Carrion in this matter inappropriate, unprofessional and in some instances inexcusable.”

“ There comes a point when every individual has to stand up and call a spade a spade. I’m standing up Mr. Carrion and publically saying, “Develop some healthy ethics and do the right thing or get the heck out of the way of those who are trying to.” There’s far too much at stake for humanity to let a “so-called” watchdog attack victims and contribute to UFO cover-ups. “

Let me respond in kind: I am calling a spade a spade and that same spade is digging their own hole of deception from which there is no way out. Let me quote further from your article:

“In a recent radio broadcast Mr. Carrion stated that Lisa Romanek lied about a detail of a meeting she was at with Mr. Carrion and her husband Stan. Anyone who knows Lisa has absolutely no question about her integrity and complete commitment to speak only the truth even when it is personally embarrassing, difficult or painful. To me this is not acceptable conduct by anyone’s standards and I won’t let this kind of conduct go unchallenged. I know of, and openly defend, Lisa Romanek’s honesty, intelligence, memory and integrity. “

So let’s examine some recent events that demonstrate how off kilter you are about the Romaneks. On December 28, 2009 Stan Romanek called the MUFON office asking for MUFON’s legal department. On the same day a “recorded voice” called the MUFON office asking for MUFON’s legal address so that MUFON could be served papers. On the same day, Leslie Varnicle, MUFON Colorado State Director received a voice mail from Stan Romanek also asking for MUFON’s legal department. After mulling this over, I posted on the next day, December 29, 2009, my article found here:
Now Lisa was gracious enough to DENY that Stan even made these phone calls in her "white flag" article, where she stated:

“Mr. Carrion can tell all of the BS lies he wants, I cannot stop him, but I will state Here and Now that Stan Romanek did not call and threaten a lawsuit against Carrion… I don’t know what Carrions new game is, but I think he has lost his marbles!”

So I challenged her on this by asking:

What are you denying Lisa? That Stan called the MUFON office? That Stan asked for the MUFON legal department? That Stan asked for the legal address MUFON could be served at? That Stan called Leslie Varnicle and left a voice mail with the same demands? Are you saying that someone was impersonating Stan? Are you also denying that Stan has threatened legal action against MUFON in conversations with others? State it plainly and clearly so all can understand.

Lisa’s hole-digging response:

“Stan and Leslie Varnicle are friends and have been for many years. Stan did leave Leslie a message asking her if there was a legal department in MUFON but only after your post was on the Internet! Stan and Leslie had a conversation regarding your article of a threat of a lawsuit. Stan asked her what was going on and if she knew why you would write such an article. Stan already knew that there was no such department after the disaster years ago with our MUFON investigator who kept (stole) important evidence belonging to Stan. MUFON could not take legal steps to recover the evidence for lack of such a department! I don’t see how a phone call or voice message to a friend’s personal phone asking a question can be seen by anyone as a threat to sue MUFON or you for that matter, especially after the article was posted!!”

And now the hole is 20 feet deep. Lisa admits Stan made a call asking for MUFON’s legal department, even though she denied it earlier, except now the story is twisted to make it sound like Stan did this in reaction to my blog article. Bullshit! Lie! Deception! – Is that spade enough for you Mr. Nelson? Unless Stan time travelled to December 29 to read my blog article and then back to leave his original voice mail on December 28, the Romaneks have been caught in a plain and simple bold-faced lie, all documented in writing. Are you still singing the integrity praises of Lisa Romanek?

Here’s my advice Rick – perhaps you should use the “common sense” you profess to and extricate yourself from the hole that you are sliding down into that is the Romanek saga, or perhaps you prefer to pick up the spade yourself and help dig the hole even deeper.

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Stan Romanek Threatens Lawsuit

By James Carrion
Follow The Magic Thread
12-29-09

      Stan Romanek called the MUFON Office yesterday asking for MUFON's legal department and the street address where MUFON can be "served" papers. Unfortunately, I wasn't there to get the call.

Seems like the way you get someone to stop pointing out inconvenient facts about your claims is to threaten legal action. So Mr. Romanek, this is a message for you that I won't have to serve through the Sheriff's office or through a demand letter:

• In a court of law you can't manipulate the facts like you can in the court of public opinion.


• You have to swear to tell the truth.


• You have to have your claims believed by a jury of your peers, not by your friends, family, and investigators you are buddies with.


• You cannot withhold key evidence.

So, Stan, if you think I am going to stop pointing out the problems with your claims by threatening me with a lawsuit, you are sadly mistaken. There is nothing illegal about the truth.

Speaking of which, please feel free to post publicly the video/photo evidence that you have yet to release to the world because I have some world class photo/video experts who are dying to analyze them:

• All the ORIGINAL videos of your peeping aliens


• All the ORIGINAL photos that show you with strange "reptilian" eye transformations


• All the ORIGINAL photos/videos of all of your other otherworldly experiences

I will be happy to give you some space on my public web server to upload them and I will make them freely available to any other photo/video analyst.

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Lisa Romanek Offers Up 'Bob Bicksler' with Claimed Sworn Testimony in Heated Debate with MUFON Head, James Carrion

James Carrion… Will you wave the white flag regarding the Stan Romanek experiences when common sense dictates?

By Lisa Romanek
www.stanromanek.com
12-26-09
[Unedited]

Editor's Note--James Carrion has sent in his rejoinder to Lisa's OP-ED, which appears at the end the piece. Additionally, links to previous pertinent articles are there as well-FW

     Red flags are everywhere for MUFON’s International Director James Carrion, as he investigates the Stan Romanek case via website posts, blogs, online post and response to articles posted about Stan Romanek’s case of UFO sightings, alien abductions and much more. Oh yes and let’s not forget the Schriever AFB document that he obtained mysteriously from an unnamable source. What will be sufficient evidence to allow him to raise a white flag? In many of James Carrions replies he requests that the individuals who wrote the online reports to NUFORC in support of Stan’s sightingsprove that they are “real people.” For some unfathomable reason he is now asking that any anonymous blog posters identify themselves as well? I am at a loss to see the relevance of blog posters to the evidence in this case. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can log onto a site and post a comment, it does not mean that they are not real; it does not show that they are connected to Stan Romanek in any way.

The internet has become a device of disinformation as well as information. Many tactics are used to lend credibility to individuals as well as sneakily discredit with fictitious claims of knowledge that would support, in an effort to discredit. This is not a new strategy, it is just plain stupidity. And for individuals who are not able to discern the difference that make you gullible. No offense, I too wonder at many posts by individuals whom I do not know, who claim to know details that are incorrect. I ignore them as rubbish and move on, I understand some people want (or need) to have a connection to what is the big news for the day. I feel it is nothing more than that!

Mr. Carrion wrote the following in his comment on October 10th, 2009 on the UFOnut.com site. The fact that the word fallow got mispelled in any single document or online posting is not the issue but that the mispelled word shows up in so many third party documents supporting Stan’s claims -third parties that allegedly have no relationship or connection with Stan. What are the odds that all of these third parties mispelled this same word (in documents supportive of Stan), is due to chance? The Romanek’s don’t want you to mull this over using critical thinking but would rather try to refocus your attention on the word fallow being a commonly mispelled word. I don’t buy their argument and I continue to consider it a red flag until one or more of these third parties come forward and prove themselves to be real people. Will the real John Mannon please step up? Not by posting again to the anonymous Internet but showing some ID in person so you can be verified to be a real physicist.

Ok so let’s break down Carrions reply a bit. He stated “The fact that the word fallow got misspelled in any single document or online posting is not the issue but that the misspelled word showed up in so many third party documents supporting Stan’s claims –third partys that allegedly have no relationship or connection with Stan.”

First of all Mr. Carrion the correct spelling for misspelled is that there are two s’s in it. It is my opinion if you are going to be so critical of other people’s spelling errors, you should be damn sure your spelling is correct! You state in the opening sentence that the fact that the word follow (of which you chose to be like the online posters, and spelled it incorrectly as fallow…not so clever) was misspelled in any online or single doc. was not the issue. Sounds like you are making it part of your issue.

Second, please be specific with what third party documents (many?) that you are talking about. Making broad general statements about many third party documents is not helping to rectify this debate. I see you wrote it as plural in that there is more than one document that you are referring to other than the Schriever AFB document. It is hard for people who may have knowledge of such “documents” to claim authorship of them if they do not know what you are referring to.

Third, your comment, “What are the odd that all of these third parties misspelled this same word (in documents supportive to Stan), is due to chance?” Again what documents are you talking about? Without these alleged documents, this argument is moot to say the least.

Fourth, you said, “The Romanek’s don’t want you to mull this over using critical thinking but would rather try to refocus your attention on the word fallow being a commonly mispelled word.” It looks to me like you are the one who is focused on the word follow/fallow . How is this article showing that you (James Carrion) are not using critical thinking to prove anything—one way or another? It was not an attempt to refocus attention from the issue, it was an attempt to help you understand that “fallow” is a commonly misspelled word, and critical thinking WAS used to do so.

Fifth, you state, “I don’t buy their argument and I continue to consider it a red flag until one or more of these third parties come forward and prove themselves to be real people.” As Stan’s wife and using critical thinking I have taken it upon myself to contact the individuals who posted (some with Stan’s assistance) reports on the NUFORC site, as well as Peter Davenport in regards to the September 21st 2001 sighting at Daniels Park near Castle Rock, Colorado. Please have your white flag ready, and let this be the end of this ridiculous argument once and for all. Feel free to contact any and all of the following witnesses for verification! I am glad that the NUFOC reporting site exists since reporting anything to MUFON seems to result in public criticism, attacks not only on the experiencers but also their families. I personally take offense at being attacked and called a liar!!!! When an experiencers credibility is questioned and their integrity is questioned because of a misspelled word, and MUFON is connected to this behavior I am shocked and surprised that an organization of this magnitude would allow such an individual to continue in this very important position after such a blatant act of unprofessional and inappropriate conduct.

Mr. Carrion,
My name is Ann Romanek. I understand that there is confusion about my report in 2001 about a UFO sighting at Daniels Park which was one of the most astonishing and most startling experiences of my life. I requested at that time that my brother Stan Romanek type the report to NUFORC because I detest typing and I was intimidated by computers. I have been a MUFON volunteer for the past 4 to 5 years. I am appalled by your seemingly personal attack on those of us who wrote reports on what we witnessed and on my brother’s credibility. I do understand that a number of MUFON investigators and members do not share your feelings on this matter nor do they share your opinions on the credibility of this case!!!

Stan has recently asked that those who were there and reported anything on this experience that evening come forward and be heard, AGAIN! I and others who have witnessed these amazing UFOs are doing that now.

I hope this isn’t the way MUFON treats witnesses reporting these matters. It’s a heck of a way to have the truth come forward.

Ann Romanek

P.S. Please notice in the NUFORC note at the bottom of my report that Mr. Davenport thanks Stan Romanek for submitting not only this report, but several other reports from other witnesses to this same event. See Here.

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Mr. James Carrion

My name is Mark Stahl, I have been a volunteer for MICAP, MUFON and several other organizations for nearly 20 years and my contact information can be obtained through MUFON. I would like to address the issue that has recently come to my attention about a report that was submitted to NUFORC on my behalf in September 2001.

I wrote a report of the UFO sighting that was witnessed by me and many other people at a night watch that I hosted in Sept. of 2001 at Daniels Park south of Denver, Colorado. I handwrote the report and asked Stan Romanek to help me post it on the reporting center website since I’m not that computer literate. I would like to state that I WAS at Daniels Park on September 21, 2001 and I DID file the report shortly afterwards. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.

Mark Stahl

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I, Bob Bicksler, did submit a report to Peter Davenport at the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington about an incident that took place on September 21, 2001. It was about a happening at Daniels Park south of Denver and I interviewed two witnesses who were amazed at what they had seen. If you wish to know the details go to the UFO reporting Center September 22, 2001.

That was my sworn testimony and I won't change a word of it.

Signed, Bob Bicksler.

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Lastly, I would like to address the John Mannon comment you made, “Will the real John Mannon please step up? Not by posting again to the anonymous Internet but showing some ID in person so you can be verified to be a real physicist.” Where in this post does this person claim to be a physicist? If you have another post available with this claim please share that information as well.

Comment
From John Mannon 1-19-4:

Hi Jeff -

I have been enthralled with the Romanek case for some time now it is a great story. As I fallow his adventures on your site, I see something that others have missed. This is in response to Byron Guernsey's comment and star chart. I noticed that Stan Romanek's #6 equation is depicting Orion - but Orion is upside down Please see attached. (copied from www.rense.com See Here).

I would also like to hear from John Mannon, but will not hold out hope for such a meeting. If this post was from 2004, I think it unlikely, but what an awesome challenge to an individual who wanted to make a simple comment. “The Truth Seeker” demands now that you prove that you are real or else… ? I would also like to meet the real “truth seeker” from the site, Follow The Magic Thread. Oh yes that is right James you are “the truth seeker.” Let’s see if you can accept the truth once it is presented to you or if you will continue to pursue this ridiculous issue instead of focusing on the real evidence in this case. You have a copy of the document from Schriever AFB, what have you learned of the authenticity of it? Tell us the “truth” of what your critical thinking had revealed! I would think that as MUFON’s International Director you would have friends in high places that would pay to have it analyzed, again. Focus on the big picture, and stop making MUFON look bad by your actions.

In conclusion I would like to share an email message from Peter Davenport, the Director of the NUFORC site. (National UFO Reporting Center www.UFOCenter.com or www.nuforc.org also, Hotline: 206-722-3000 (use only if the sighting has occurred within the last week)

(An email communication between me and Peter Davenport)

Hello Mr. Davenport,

I know you are very busy and have a lot of messages to get through so I will keep this as short as possible. My name is Lisa Romanek, Stan's wife. I am writing to get your permission to post the full reports that Stan and other witnesses sent to you regarding the 9/21/2001 sighting at Daniels Park, and also if needed the 9/30/2001 reports as well. I am not sure if that is allowed or against your policy or not so I figured permission prior was easier than apologizing later.

James Carrion MUFON International Director has taken issue with the fact that Stan posted reports for his sister and friend Mark on your site. He is very focused on the word follow misspelled fallow in some of the reports. We have asked that each person, who reported on your site for these sightings claim ownership of them (which they have) to prove to James Carrion that they are real people...he does not think they are regardless of our explaining that Stan did indeed file the reports for two of these witnesses — Ann Romanek and Mark Stahl on your site with them sitting next to him. (You even posted a note at the bottom that states that Stan helped them) Any further info you can recover for my quest would be greatly appreciated.

Many Blessing for all your great work!
Lisa Romanek

Hi, Lisa!!

“Thank you very much for your note,…and please convey my regards to Stan, if you would. Please feel free to use the reports, as you see fit. I would offer to return the original mailed copy of Stan’s reports, but because of several computer failures, I suspect that they either are gone for good, or it would take a lot of time for me to find them. Hence, please feel free to copy them from the website.”

“I am very interested in having reports of all sightings, no matter when they occurred. My position is that if a serious-minded person sincerely believes that he/she has sighted a genuine UFO, that is information that should be 1) recorded, and 2) made available publicly. If you ever run into other folks, who have serious stories to tell, I would be most grateful if you would please direct them to our website, with encouragement to write down the details of the event. For your interest, Lisa, I estimate that out of 10,000 Americans who have been witness to a genuine UFO sighting, only perhaps one of those people has ever written it down!! What’s going on here??!!

Peter asks that if you have memory of, or if you have written down any sightings recent or not, please submit them to NUFORC National UFO Reporting Center’s website, www.UFOCenter.com.

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Carrion's Rejoinder
I am getting wary of posting any more responses about the sinking ship that is the Stan Romanek saga. The Romanek marketing machine counter-attacks just highlight that they are in a serious credibility quandary from which they obviously have no intention of extracting themselves from, nor do they intend to release publicly their photo/video evidence for analysis. Their petty personal attacks and rallying of their faithful does not prove Stan’s case and only reveals their very worn strategy of “thou does protest too much”. Critical thinkers can see through Lisa and Stan’s bolstering of their defenses as eluding the truth and my blog has already done enough damage to their credibility to sink a battleship. Unfortunately, they feel obliged to go down with the ship. Bon voyage.

Thanks

James

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By James Carrion
Follow The Magic Thread
8-25-09

     Human behavior is normally fascinating to observe but even more so in the context of the UFO phenomenon. I have seen the most rational and scientifically minded individuals suspend their common sense in favor of their desire to believe when confronted with the ambiguity of data from a UFO report.

Case in point is the Stan Romanek case that has taken the nation by storm. Although new to the public, Stan's case was originally investigated by MUFON years earlier and his case was written up in the MUFON Journal and Symposium Proceeding. I decided to look into this intriguing case for myself, so my good friend Clifford Clift and I arranged to interview Stan Romanek in his home in Xxxxxxxx, Colorado on September 17, 2007 where the interview lasted some five hours.

Stan seemed to be an amicable guy and open to telling his story and he consented to having the interview recorded. What followed was the long tale that is now the subject of his book titled: Messages: The World's Most Documented Extraterrestrial Contact Story.

After the interview, Stan showed us numerous videos on his computer that showed flying orbs, aliens peeking in windows, and poltergeist activity. When I asked him for a copy of the time-line of his experiences, he agreed and printed off a copy. When I asked him for a copy of the alleged Air Force memo that was found in his mailbox, he refused. I subsequently located a copy of the memo from a third party source. I asked Stan if he would provide MUFON a copy of all of his videos to analyze and he was noncomittal.

When I asked Stan what he wanted from MUFON, he indicated that he simply wanted investigators to promptly follow up on any future activity that occurred to him. Unfortunately, Stan never subsequently called in MUFON investigators.

Warning Will Robinson!

After reading the existing MUFON reports on the case, I was puzzled as to the authenticity of Stan's experiences. They sounded amazing but how could I know for sure. I decided to take a forensic approach to the investigation and to look a little closer at the evidence at hand. Starting with the timeline Stan provided, I noticed that the word "follow" was misspelled as "fallow". Wait a minute I thought to myself, I have seen that misspelling before, but where? I soon found out.

Reviewing the numerous sighting reports filed by Stan, family members and friends on the National UFO Reporting Center's web site, I found that not only had Stan misspelled the word "follow" as "fallow" in his own report, but the same misspelled word could also be found in the report filed by his sister and also Stan's friends. I would have not given this further notice, thinking maybe one person had filed all of the reports on behalf of the others, except for two glaring red flags that subsequently popped up.

On NUFORC's web site is a report filed by an anonymous third party witness who allegedly saw a UFO send a beam of light on to Stan's van. Guess which word was misspelled in this third party report? Yep, the word "follow" as "fallow". I began to get a sick feeling that something was not right in all of this, and my suspicions were further confirmed when I got a copy of the Air Force letter. Yes, the same word "follow" is misspelled as "fallow" in this alleged Air Force document. Now, what are the chances that not only Stan's own documentation and reports, but also that of a third party witness and an alleged government agency document ALL have the same misspelled word. In my mind, the odds of this occuring due to chance were astronomical.


Now you can verify this all for yourself by examining the original documents:

Romanek's Time-Line

Stan Romanek Sister's Report to NUFORC

Stan Romanek Friend's Report to NUFORC

Stan Romanek's Own Report to NUFORC

Report From an Alleged 3rd Party Witness

Air Force Letter Allegedly Left in Stan Romanek's Mailbox

So, does this prove that Stan's experiences are all a hoax? Well, it is not conclusive proof, but it definitely raises enough red flags that a more thorough investigation is required. To ignore this data is unscientific, with the burden of explaining these glaring inconsistencies on that of the person making the extraordinary claims.

Now I am willing to give Stan the benefit of the doubt into how this misspelled word popped into all of these documents, but unfortunately the world at large may not be so forgiving.

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