Tuesday, May 07, 2013

Aztec Native Shriver Debunks UFO Crash at Hart Canyon

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Monte Shriver in Aztec 5-6-13

By James Fenton
The Daily Times

      AZTEC — Nothing otherworldly happened in Hart Canyon, says Aztec native Monte Shriver.

Shriver will present his findings on the "other Roswell" at a meeting of the San Juan County Historical Society at the Bloomfield Multicultural Center on Wednesday.

He admits there is likely something out there, but is convinced it didn't crash land in Aztec - on March 25, 1948, or any other date.

The incident has been long debated, but Shriver hopes to finally dispel the stories of a 100-foot-long alien craft containing human-like bodies slumped over a control panel that was swiftly carted away to an undisclosed location by the military.

Last fall, he self-published "It's About Time," a book that questions the research of three books dedicated to the storied UFO crash event - Frank Scully's 1950 book "Behind the Flying Saucers," William Steinman and Wendelle Stevens' 1986 book "UFO Crash at Aztec: A Well Kept Secret" and Scott and Suzanne Ramsey's 2012 book "The Aztec Incident: Recovery at Hart Canyon."

All three lack verifiable evidence to be much more than fantasy, Shriver said. . . .


  1. [As posted at The Farmington Daily Times]:

    Greetings All,

    Off the cuff and beginning with the first sentence, labeling Mr. Shriver’s penscript “a book,” I find a little amusing since Mr. Shriver spends a great deal of time nit picking various minutiae in the Ramsey book, et al. Unless something’s changed, Mr. Shriver’s critique is “17 pages long” and a more accurate description would be a pamphlet, booklet, paper or long article.

    Conversely, Ramsey’s book is 233 pages, Scully’s (the original) is 242 pages and Steinman’s is 625 pages long.

    As I’ve written before, I can appreciate the specifics that Mr. Shriver has offered, citing page and verse with the various tomes he’s chosen to censure (it’s refreshing); however, melding his criticism together in one treatise, for all 3—isn’t prudent in my view.

    Since Mr. Shriver’s main thesis for his fault finding, is minute “details” allow me to point out that Stanton Friedman doesn’t possess a doctorate and is always the first person to point this out. Mr. Shriver refers to Stan as “Dr.” 3 times in his paper.

    Beyond the claimed geographical errors, it would seem that the primary counter argument to the evidence presented in the 3 books, and to simplify things, I’ll just focus on the Ramsey book, was that if the UFO event actually happened he would have known about it. In support of this dogma Mr. Shriver stated that he queried his former classmates (class of ’51 & ’52) about an alleged UFO crash [in 1948]; since Mr. Shriver is a glutton for details, and playing by his rules—it’s important to note that the term or acronym i.e., “UFO” was borne by the Air Force in 1952, and didn’t become popular re the public lexicon until many years after that. In short, it’s a given that no one in Aztec or anywhere else had “heard of a UFO” in 1948.

    I know readers are thinking that I’m splitting hairs, but Mr. Shriver, condemned Scott Ramsey for calling “Mt Taylor,” The Taylor Mountains, he laid the ground rules, so what’s good for the goose . . ..

    Finally, if the geographical errors that Mr. Shriver cites are proven to be accurate, e.g., if Scott (himself, opposed to quoting someone), got the name of a bridge or a street wrong, I’m sure every attempt will be made to correct any errors in the next printing. I’ve also advised Scott to insert a “thank you” to Mr. Shriver for his efforts.

    When Mr. Shriver finally got around to the main event, i.e., a UFO coming down on Hart Canyon rd in the Spring of ’48, although I was pleased that he deviated from the tired old Cahnian edict of over 60 years (ala JP Cahn) as a counter argument to the Aztec Incident, I have to say I was amused that the core of his rebuttal (beyond Geography) was/is argumentum ad ignorantiam, e.g., idea that if it really happened he would have heard about it. These Arguments from ignorance are often a go-to defense for the status quo.

    –continued below

  2. –continued from above

    Curiously, Mr. Shriver wrote:

    “”The first time I recall hearing of the UFO crash in Hart Canyon was when I learned that the Aztec City Library was holding an annual symposium about the UFO crash. During the 2000s . . ..”

    The Annual Aztec Symposium was borne in 1998, and was an economic boon for the City of Aztec in general and used as a fundraiser for the new library as Shriver notes in his piece. Not only was the event (s) heavily advertised, so were its many prestigious speakers; yet by Mr. Shriver’s own admission he never knew about it until the 2000’s (he didn’t specify the year).

    In the same vein, Frank Scully’s book was a New York Times best Seller in 1950; it was the first to name Aztec as the local for a (then) “Flying Saucer” coming down in the area. It was printed in multiple languages in countries around the world, and it precipitated many an (national) article in its wake, given the gravity of the claims. Yet Mr. Shriver didn’t hear about that either.

    One of the events that Scully wrote about, was the lecture given by Scientist X re the Aztec Incident, which took place in March of 1950 at The University of Denver. Again, this was national headline news and again, Shriver was ignorant to the event.

    One of the biggest events in UFO history, was The Farmington Armada, which took place in 1950 and topped the front page of The Farming Daily Times and in huge caps read, HUGE ‘SAUCER ARMADA’ JOLTS FARMINGTON; here again Shriver knew nothing about it (and according to him, neither did his class-mates).

    In November of 1947 a “Mysterious Flaming Object” came down in the Four Corners area and more then one search team made up of scientists including the renowned Dr Lincoln La Paz was in the area for days; this again was widely publicized and yet again, Monte Shriver draws a blank.

    Based on Monte Shriver’s ideology, i.e., “if it happened I would have known about it,” and since he was ignorant to the a fore mentioned events (to name a few)—would he have us believe that they didn’t occur either?

    Ignorance of evidence is not absence of evidence.

    Frank Warren
    The UFO Chronicles


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