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Friday, February 01, 2008

The Premier of ‘UFO Hunters’
And
The Premier of ‘UFO Hunters’

UFO Hunters Doing Battle
By Frank Warren
© 1-31-08


A Review
     As most UFO aficionados are undoubtedly aware, we have been graced with not one new addition to the airwaves, but two additions, (regarding UFOs) and they both are “reality type” shows with an “investigative format. Now if that wasn’t enough, they both have the same names, i.e., “UFO Hunters!” One can hear the lawyers counting their money already!

The two networks involved are “Sci-Fi” and “The History Channel”; the former, taking the name of “UFO Hunters” as a sort of spin-off to their popular series, “Ghost Hunters”; both (Ghost Hunters & UFO Hunters via Sci-Fi) are executive produced by the same company.

The History Channel (THC) ran with the name as an extension of one of the “UFO Files” shows that was sub-titled “UFO Hunters,” featuring various Ufologists; it being produced by a company that was involved with some of the “UFO Files” programs.

Ironically, there are “some parenting ownership commonalities” for both networks; one has to wonder if this was done on purpose, and perhaps A&E will produce another reality show to watch the fight! Hmmmm . . . “Cable Channel UFO Program Wars—Live!” ad nauseum Any independents reading this please disregard this paragraph!

I watched both shows last night; THC’s version in real time, and I taped Sci-Fi’s and watched it shortly thereafter.

THC’s version is framed around a so-called investigative group from “UFO Magazine,” spear-headed by publisher, “Bill Birnes.” Now, it’s important to point out that it’s difficult for me to “stay neutral” about these shows, and not for reasons one might expect; I personally don’t believe one can do good research regarding the UFO phenomenon with a camera crew in tow. Moreover, it’s important to note that the priorities are different; serious, dedicated researchers are worried about acquiring the data first, and not ratings, or how well the show is doing.

With that in mind, I went in attempting to remain “unbiased.” I won’t bore you with the “infinite” details of the show; suffice it to say it’s premise is an investigative group headed by Bill Birnes (UFO Magazine), the show’s design was very reminiscent of “Ghost Hunters” with a tad more theatrics and drama; their aim is to investigate current and past UFO events. They heralded the notion that this would be done from a “scientific perspective.

Now, I wasn’t put off by the campy-ness of the show; in fact I was expecting it. Admittedly, I sometimes watch “Ghost Hunters” . . . it’s “fun!”

Birnes’ team on this premiere episode was investigating “The Maury Island Incident” of 1947; although this case is known to most researchers; it’s news to the “UFO abecedarian.” I was particularly interested, as I have done extensive research on this case.

The show hadn’t been on 10 minutes, and I began noticing errors, minor ones mind you, in some of the elements (facts) presented; they weren’t too big a deal, but knowing some of the “easily accessible data about the affair, I was curious how these errors could occur in the first place; however, as these “little inaccuracies” continued to pop-up throughout the show, it appeared to me it was just “poor research.” Not the “killing of a man” as an old Irish friend used to say to me; still, something you wouldn’t expect from a debut of a show concerning such a controversial subject, and “promoting scientific investigation.”

A short time back, someone new to the “Maury Island Incident” case, located the wreckage of the Mitchell B-25 that Capt. William L. Davidson, and 1st Lt. Frank M. Brown met their demise in; Davidson & Brown, CIC agents of the Forth Army Air Force, were tasked to investigate the mysterious craft that we’re then being seen “all over the country” that summer in 1947, which many refer to as the “dawn of modern day Ufology.”

In this instance they flew to Tacoma at the request of Kenneth Arnold, who was investigating the “Maury Island Incident.” On their return, shortly after taking off from “McChord Field,” their left engine caught on fire, and they crashed near “Kelso Washington.”

It’s important to point out, this crash (at the time) was “headline news” and remained in the public spotlight for weeks; the location of the crash was “common public knowledge!” More over, the then “Air Force” (formerly Army Air Force) did a thorough investigation of the crash, as well as an inspection the wreckage, and its final resting place.

Some of the articles published a few months back, painted the image that this plane, the B-25 had been “lost!” Although it may have been “lost to the person looking into the case,” its location has always been “public knowledge” for anyone interested, and willing to make a few inquiries.

That said, again this is well known to most Ufologists; consequently, I was surprised that “Birnes & company” would also allegorize this same dogma, i.e., previously “lost,” and now miraculously found; of course, I was viewing this from the eyes of a researcher, forgetting momentarily that this is a TV show, who has “other priorities.”

OK, so far there have been “several” minor discrepancies, there has been “over-dramatized” and “distorted” facts presented, and then we come to the last segment of the show—which I found contemptuous.

To better understand, it’s important to note that prior to leaving Tacoma, Davidson & Brown were given a “corn flakes box” of “fragments” (rocks) allegedly from the UFOs seen by Harold Dahl near Maury Island. That box was loaded on their B-25, and was on the plane when it crashed. The show incorrectly states that Dahl presented the box to Davidson, when in fact it was Crisman (another minor error). Personally, I don’t believe that the contents of that box came from the UFOs sighted near Maury Island period! (More on that later . . ..)

In any event, the idea that there might be some of what was in that box left at the crash site is attractive, and if nothing else makes for good TV. Now remember, when that plane went down, Flying Saucers, i.e., UFOs were headline news, coast to coast; the powers-that-be, in this instance, the Army Air Force/Air Force were highly concerned. Moreover, they were aware of the “box of the “disc-bits” that Davidson & Brown had in their possession, and took it very seriously; the point being that the site was searched thoroughly for “all evidence” including the “corn flakes” box of alleged UFO debris; this being done with a multitude of men, when the scene was fresh, before mother nature ravaged the location with 60 years of overgrowth.

Still, of course it’s possible that something could be found, albeit remote, and quite frankly, regardless of any fragments, I think anyone would jump at the chance to visit the site, and any producer would be derelict in their duties not to include this in a show about Maury Island, if it were within their means.

Now here is where the show decides to go delve into fantasy, and pure flapdoodle!

After leaving the crash site with soil samples, plane debris etc. in hand, the team returned back to HQ (Birnes’ office in Los Angeles); the next segment begins with the narrator, stating they’ve come to the laboratory of a scientist who will “attempt to define the cause of the B-25 crash,” thus alluding to the notion that this was “unknown!” I’m afraid for me, this was very disappointing, as either this fallacy was presented purposely for reasons unknown, or it’s an example of the worst research done in Ufology!

“The accident,” i.e., the plane crash, which took the lives of Capt. William L. Davidson, and 1st Lt. Frank M. Brown was just that and was thoroughly investigated by the Air Force; let us also not forget that there were “two survivors,” one of which I personally interviewed a few years back.

To be clear, the cause of the crash had “nothing to do with UFOs” with exception to the fact that both decedents were “investigating the phenomenon at the time of their demise.”

That particular “plane had it’s engines replaced” in June, about a month and a half before Davidson and Brown took it to Tacoma. In July during one of the “test flights” of the “new engines” it was noted that it had “low hydraulic pressure.”

When D & B took off for McChord Field the “new engines” had a total of 1-½ hours (slow time) attributed to them. Additionally, all exhaust “stacked” aircraft of that time period were prone to “cracking.” The official opinion of the Air Force investigators was that the left stack, fell off allowing “hot exhaust” into the engine cowl. This coincides with eyewitness testimony of the two survivors, one being the “crew chief” that was responsible for the maintenance of the aircraft!

To suggest that a “box of rocks” allegedly from a Flying Saucer had something to do with the “engine catching on fire” is quite frankly ludicrous . . . but I’m getting ahead of myself.

After setting the stage, i.e., “suggesting that that cause of the B-25 crash was unknown,” and alluding to the notion that it might be “UFO connected,” in the lab, and with the help of a couple of scientists, it is demonstrated via the analysis of a piece of the aluminum fuselage that it was exposed to “high heat” and the reaction of the “team” is one of surprise. Now this in my view is a phenomenon unto itself, as one doesn’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that after a “freshly fueled plane” spirals towards the ground from an altitude of 10, 000 ft and “explodes” that the remaining debris will show signs of “high heat exposure.”

This also coincides with the eyewitness testimony of one of the survivors referring to the “high temperature, and not being able to get to close to the wreckage.

The next tests were done illustrating how a piece of “metallic slag” if “magnetized could affect an electronic relay; this was performed by “touching” the slag “directly” to the relay, and giving rise to the notion that one of the passengers in the plane was rubbing the corn flakes box all over the interior of the craft ad nauseum.

After that display, came the fireworks; scientist no # 2 illustrated how a metallic slag would ignite under the proper circumstances—neat feat, but having absolutely no bearing on the contents of the corn flakes box, since there is no evidence of its composition.

So basically, what Birnes and company suggest, is a corn flakes box full of lava like looking rocks of unknown composition, that may have come from a Flying Saucer, and if by chance were magnetic, could have caused a relay to malfunction, assuming the box got within inches of a relay, which in turn “could cause” electrical short somehow; or, some unknown short caused the rocks to ignite, unbeknown to anyone in the cramped space of the B-25. All of this by the way ignoring the evidence already on the table—this is what Birnes refers to has “scientific investigation!”

Generally, when one sees something so outlandish, and far-fetched it usually comes from skeptics ignoring the noses on their respective faces; speaking of skeptics, this particular episode will no doubt provide plenty of ammunition in their arsenal to criticize Ufologists in general.

Moving on, by the time I watched the “Sci-Fi’s version” of Ghost Hunters I was so disgusted at that point, it was hard to imagine how anything could have been worse!

To my delight, it wasn’t bad. The show in short was basically a duplicate of the popular “Ghost Hunters” series, using the same formula for UFOs less (at least in this episode) the wacky antics of GH.

Again, it’s very difficult to do serious research with a camera crew in tow, along with having different priorities.

Both shows were entertaining, I’m sure they’ll garner an audience, particularly with all that’s going on lately with UFOs. The Sci-Fi crew certainly was more palatable for researchers then Birnes' group, and one can only hope that future episodes will evolve around more “facts” then the fiction demonstrated in this premiere episode.

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6 Comments:

Blogger Joseph Capp said...

Dear Mr. Warren,
I think the pressure to cross the line to make a good show seems to be indicative of even our News media in these days. I think we need a open minded skeptic like Brad Sparks on some of these investigative someone knowledgeable about the field yet fact based. It was a waste of time to go in that direction. One other point. I always thought the Hessdalen in Norway or NIDS had a best idea on investigating this phenomenon. Find a place or person where the UFO phenomenon repeats and put a scientific team in for the long haul. I think this was done in an abduction case. Will see if how fact based it is.

Joe Capp
UFO Media Matters

9:25 AM  
Blogger air said...

Frank,

(I love you by the way) I lived on Vashon island for a year - as you know it's connected to Maury island.

I was just getting into UFOs and read about the Maury sighting - I think from Kenneth Arnold's book "The Coming of the Saucers". Since the sighting had happened "in my neighborhood" I decided to do a little bit of investigation.

Besides reading tons about the case, I also, for about 9 months, asked every single person I knew on the island and new people I met if they or anyone they knew had info about the 1947 sighting. What I mean by "every single person I met" is neighbors, grocery checkout clerks, wait staff, bookstore staff, (all sales staff really), ferry passengers, people running garage sales, coffee barristas, boat owners down on the dock, (which leads me to bar patrons), small shop owners, everyone wandering around the garden center, people who called to say they found my dog (she's an escape artist) - on and on. Oh and I left handwritten notes on bulletin boards at the library, grocery, at the self-serve flower kiosk, etc.

Don't get excited - I didn't find *anyone* who had even heard of the Maury island sighting. (deep sigh)

But lemme tell you, I definitely took one for the team. Imagine the responses I got. I'm sure everyone out there is cringing already.

So after all this effort (and humiliation) I feel a bit invested in this case.

That's why I'm extra-disgusted to read that THC's show produced a sloppy and inaccurate report angeled toward sensationalism.

I try not to go down the conspiracy theory road but I can't help thinking that the "disinfo guys" would be smart to produce shows like this.

Argh, my jaw is tight from clamping my teeth down in frustration.

Thanks for letting me vent.

Thanks for all you do, I read your blog first thing every morning with my first cup of coffee (this is high praise).

Peace n love,
air

11:43 AM  
Blogger Ray said...

do you have a printer friendly service so we can print your articles for future use?

Ray

8:55 AM  
Blogger Frank Warren said...

Dear Mr. Capp,

You wrote:

"I think the pressure to cross the line to make a good show seems to be indicative of even our News media in these days."

If what you mean by "good show" is to do anything for ratings, then I agree. Moreover, "there is no news" any longer--it's "all for profit" entertainment.

You wrote:

I think we need a open minded skeptic like Brad Sparks on some of these investigative someone knowledgeable about the field yet fact based.

Some folk might argue that Brad isn't that "open-minded" I agree in your concept however.

You wrote:

One other point. I always thought the Hessdalen in Norway or NIDS had a best idea on investigating this phenomenon. Find a place or person where the UFO phenomenon repeats and put a scientific team in for the long haul. I think this was done in an abduction case. Will see if how fact based it is.

Of course you're describing "scientific method" (covering the entire event) which is very difficult to do; however, not impossible for this transient phenomenon. That said, "it is impossible" for a TV show to accomplish given all the restraints, and different priorities then that of the researcher.

Thanks for taking the time to make comment . . .

Cheers,
Frank

10:14 AM  
Blogger Frank Warren said...

Greetings Air!

You wrote:

(I love you by the way) I lived on Vashon island for a year - as you know it's connected to Maury island.

Always good to be loved--thank you!

You wrote:

I was just getting into UFOs and read about the Maury sighting - I think from Kenneth Arnold's book "The Coming of the Saucers". Since the sighting had happened "in my neighborhood" I decided to do a little bit of investigation.

Good to know we have an investigator on site!

You wrote:

Don't get excited - I didn't find *anyone* who had even heard of the Maury island sighting. (deep sigh)

Don't let that discourage you; look the average person is completely ignorant to the fact that "Flying Saucers" were being seen all over the world in 1947 . . . it was headline news!

If you explain that to someone, they'll look at you as if you've grown another head! But those are the facts . . . so it doesn't surprise me that the average person doesn't know these things about their local history.

My suggestion to you is first go down to your local library and cull the microfilm; (in fact I have "holes in my data" that I would be interested in filling). The next thing is I would locate "homes for the elderly" and VA establishments where there is an "older crowd" . . . see what they recall.

In contrast to popular thinking amongst researchers about MI, this was big news in Tacoma, and the surrounding areas; according to one of the "other" witnesses--it spread like wild fire! Of course saucers were being seen all over and it was head line news anyway!

You wrote:

I try not to go down the conspiracy theory road but I can't help thinking that the "disinfo guys" would be smart to produce shows like this.

Argh, my jaw is tight from clamping my teeth down in frustration.


The media, and its misrepresentation of Ufology is our worst enemy; THC's offering doesn't surprise me; however, I was not only surprised by "Birnes' involvement, but spearheading such flapdoodle as well!"

Remember most of these shows start in the minds of "independent producers" and their ideologies.

You wrote:

Thanks for letting me vent.

Thanks for all you do, I read your blog first thing every morning with my first cup of coffee (this is high praise).

Peace n love,
air


Thank you for the kind words, I sincerely appreciate it!

If you contact me off Blog, I'll show you a pic of a "Flying Saucer" that the Vashion Island newspaper editor shared with me; you might be able to go see it in person!

Cheers,
Frank

10:37 AM  
Blogger Frank Warren said...

Ray,

I'm sorry there isn't a better method for printing; we're left to "cut-n-paste" I'm afraid . . .

Cheers,
Frank

10:58 AM  

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Getting to This Stage in My Research

Credibility of Major Jesse Marcel and Jesse Marcel Jr.

Astronauts as UFO Witnesses

Aztec, New Mexico Crash and Symposium

Biased Documentaries by the Media

O’Hare Airport Sighting, (UFO, Hoax or Security Threat)

Verification, Confirmation and Facts

Security is Alive and Well at Area 51

Follow up:
Is The Roswell UFO Museum & Annual UFO Festival Becoming a Thing of The Past?


Is The Roswell UFO Museum & Annual UFO Festival Becoming a Thing of The Past?

Interview of Original Roswell Crash Photographer

Is Timing Everything---As Related to the Roswell Incident?

Is Anyone Accountable for Records?

At What Level in our Government is the Truth Known?

Off Limits, Even To Their Own Military Personnel



By Scott Ramsey
By
Scott Ramsey


"Flying Saucer" Recovery At Hart Canyon
- Part 1 -


"Flying Saucer" Recovery At Hart Canyon
- Part 2 -


The 'Aztec Incident' Revisited:
- Part 1 -


The 'Aztec Incident' Revisited:
- Part 2 -


By Suzanne Ramsey
By
Suzanne Ramsey


Smith Mountain Lake UFO Conference
- A Review -


Interview with The Multi-Talented Suzanne Ramsey

MUFON North Carolina Winter Meeting

Media Blitz at Aztec UFO Symposium!

Synopsis of The 2006 Aztec UFO Symposium

Aztec UFO Crash: Jerry Pippin Interviews Research Team Scott & Suzanne Ramsey



 Mike Fortson (B)
By
Mike Fortson


I Know What I Saw The Movie
- A Review -


Phoenix Lights: Vintage Interview with Tim Ley, Mike Fortson, Frances Barwood and Richard Motzer

The Massive UFO Flyover of Arizona-March 13, 1997 12 Years of Retrospect

UFO HUNTERS, “ARIZONA LIGHTS”

NBC DATELINE UFO PROGRAM: “Flares, Balloons, Fighter Jets and Squid Boats, Oh My!”

UFO Hunters: Stephenville Lights - Fumble!

Shostak’s 'Phoenix Lights' Faux Pas

Interview With Mike Fortson - Eye Witness To Enormous V-Shaped UFO - AKA "The Phoenix Lights"

Interview With Mike Fortson
- Part 2 -


Interview With Mike Fortson
- Part 3 -


Another Flare Drop . . .

The Phoenix Lights Investigative Faux Pas!

Eye Witness Mike Fortson's Original Report of The 'Phoenix Lights'

The Non-Investigation of the Phoenix Lights- My View

Yes, Folks the 10 PM Videos are Flares...



Scotty Littleton
By
Scotty Littleton




Exclusive
THE BATTLE OF LOS ANGELES


Exclusive
THE BATTLE OF LOS ANGELES
- Part 2 -


DIVINE REBELS, ALIEN DISSIDENTS!



Gildas Bourdais
By
Gildas Bourdais


The interview of Jacques Vallée by Marie-Thérèse de Brosses
- Part one -


The interview of Jacques Vallée by Marie-Thérèse de Brosses
- Part Two -


The interview of Jacques Vallée by Marie-Thérèse de Brosses
- Part Three -


“Hunt for the Skinwalker” – A New Challenge for the ET Hypothesis ?
- Part I -




By Don Ledger
By
Don Ledger




"The Pilot Eventually Spotted the UFO . . . He Armed His Rockets Waiting to Shoot . . ."

Shag Harbour: From Obscurity to International Festival

How About That ETH?

Stephenville UFOs: Was the Air Force Protecting 'The Presidential Ranch?'

Researchers Verses Investigators





By
Frank Warren


64 Years Ago The Flying Saucer (UFO) Era Begins

Mystery UFO Photograph Found in Air Force Blue Book Files!

ABC News Says Jacobsen Source is 'Confused & Conflicted"; The Author Gets Grilled By Nightline's Bill Weir

ABC News Interviews Jacobsen's Secret Source; is Latest Roswell Story Debunked?

PHOENIX LIGHTS 14th ANNIVERSARY | VIDCAST: Former City Councilwoman, Frances E Barwood Shares Her Insight On This Major UFO Event with Frank Warren

See All Frank's Articles . . .



  Web-Site (By Tom Horn)

Roswell - It Really Did Happen

Interview With Thomas Horn, Controversial Author of The Ahriman Gate

MOD Report: End Of The Line For British UFOs? Not So Fast Says Nick Pope

Have Scientists Just Proven Bob Lazar Right on Alien Antigravity Systems?

On The Road To Roswell 2007: A Discussion With Nuclear Physicist Stanton T. Friedman
- Part I -


On The Road To Roswell 2007: A Discussion With Col. Jesse Marcel Jr.
- Part II -


On The Road To Roswell 2007: A Discussion With Dennis G. Balthaser
- Part III -


On The Road To Roswell 2007: A Discussion With Donald R. Burleson
- Part IV -




Web-Site (By Scott Corrales)
By
Scott Corrales




Spirits in the Sky: Aviation and the Unknown

UFO Crashes and Blackouts in Northern Argentina

Argentina: A One Million-Signature Goal

Sharp-Dressed Men: The Men-in-Black are Back

Scott Corrales Talks UFOs

IN FROM THE COLD: EUROPE'S ENIGMATIC ICEFALLS

THE SAUCERS OF WARTIME

The Canary Islands: Riddles of Light and Stone





Classified OSI Document Aztec UFO Crash 1950

Secret Conference On Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (A)

Secret Conference On Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (B)

Secret Conference On Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (C)

Secret Conference On Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (D)

Secret Conference On Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (E)

Secret Conference On Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (F)

Secret Doc Suggests The Birth of 'Project Grudge" and The High-Priority Put on The 'Green Fireball Phenomena' (UFOs)

Secret Docs, Project Grudge and 'The Green Fireball Phenomenon'
- Part 2A -


Secret Docs, Project Grudge and 'The Green Fireball Phenomenon'
- Part 2B -