Monday, February 27, 2006

Lovekin's Military Credentials in Question - No Longer!
- Part Four -

Stephen Lovekin
By Frank Warren
2-27-06

     The attraction to Stephen Lovekin as a possible "insider witness" to a UFO/ET event involving a President and or the White House etc., is most certainly "enhanced" by being "packaged" as a "high ranking military official." What is on the table (at present) is a declaration from an individual, an anecdote if you will. In a court of law, it would be considered "eye witness testimony."

Obviously, the "character" of the witness can add or take away from the "credibility" of a respective account. Certainly, it is far more "impressive" and more apt to be believed coming from a "Brigadier General" then a layperson etc. Sagan said, (and what I have come to call "Sagan's Law") "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

Kevin Randle wrote in part:

"This is important stuff, if it could be confirmed. A general officer, one who had once held the ear of the president and who could report on the president’s interest in UFOs, would make an impressive witness, especially if he could talk of a UFO crash and recovered debris. It should be relatively simple to verify Lovekin’s credentials as a general."

In that vein IMHO Kevin proceeded with some investigative research to vet the witness using his skills as a researcher along with his own personal experience in the military; he posted his progress on his respective Blog; personally, I didn't take his expose as slander or being libelous, and most importantly definitive. I believe it's important to note that people have come forward in the past, that at the present time seemed very "credible" that later proved to be otherwise, and Kevin Randle has has had direct involvement/experience in these matters, henceforth his "righteous skepticism" is warranted.

Now all that said, what are we left with? In my view, having done some of my own research into Lovekin, with the exception of what was recently submitted to Greer for publication (in regards to Lovekin's military background) it is "unclear" what originated "from him." Most importantly is there anything to date, that "negatively" affects the "character" of the man making the claim? I think not! His credentials, and the question of his "Brigadier General" status are to be commended whether they're "regular military" or some sort of state militia. The "key point" from my perspective is "his tenure at WHASA," which he has provided documents in support thereof.

I have located "other members" of WHASA, and the common theme amongst them, is that they were "culled" from various "military schools" (at a very young age); they were vetted by the FBI; they were trained by the NSA; they held "top secret clearances; "rank was a non-issue," and they wore civvies; they worked with the Secret Service, and in close proximity to the President; they provided "crypto secure communications" and went everywhere it was needed, e.g., the White House basement, Camp David, Mt Weather etc.

Unfortunately, and is often the case, we "UFO folks" get into these "pissing matches" and that becomes the focus, rather then the important research that needs to be taken to task.

Might I suggest we take Kevin at his word, that he meant no malice towards Lovekin and get on with the "research of the evidence," i.e., a "credible witness" with a "incredible disclosure."


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4 comments :

  1. I would appreciate if you could elaborate about "other members" of WHASA that you have found, and what concrete evidence you have that they "were 'culled' from various 'military schools' (at a very young age); they were vetted by the FBI; they were trained by the NSA; they held "top secret clearances; "rank was a non-issue," and they wore civvies; they worked with the Secret Service, and in close proximity to the President; they provided 'crypto secure communications' and went everywhere it was needed, e.g., the White House basement, Camp David, Mt Weather etc."

    I ask because unlike Randle I actually interviewed Lovekin about his White House Days.

    I checked on him with the Eisenhower Library years ago and came up blank. I was told this would be expected if Lovekin was in the position he claimed. Another search is now on based on the documents cited at the Disclosure site.

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  2. Greetings Grant,

    You wrote:

    I would appreciate if you could elaborate about "other members" of WHASA that you have found, and what concrete evidence you have that they

    If your asking for "names," I'm not at liberty to say presently, (per my own research protocol); in addition I wrote, "I have located 'other members' of WHASA, and the common theme amongst them" in reference to the afore mentioned recruitment and operational methodologies; I didn't use the term, "concrete evidence." It is no more concrete then Lovekin's, which is anecdotal, and documental;however, like Lovekin, based on these men's character, supportive documents etc., it certainly lends credence to Lovekin's declaration.

    Randle I might add did "attempt" to make contact with Lovekin, as I did. Can "you elaborate" on your Lovekin interview?

    Cheers,
    Frank

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  3. Grant,

    Interesting to note that in the conversation with you he mentions Ike "talking about UFOs while at Camp David." I wonder if this is "opposed too" or "in addition too" what was said/witnessed in the White House basement. Did he say?

    Frank

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  4. July 21, 2003 Interview of Stephen (Steven) Lovekin and Grant Cameron conducted by phone.

    Question: Hello. I am a researcher who runs the presidential UFO website, and I had a couple of short questions. I was wondering if you could answer them? I am doing a story in connection with Mount Weather and UFOs, and I believe you described UFOs and Mount Weather. Can you tell me what the connection was?
    Lovekin: There was no connection. The only thing is that I had been there. I spent some time there.
    Question: On one of the tapes you had something to the effect that they were tracking them from there.
    Lovekin: Well that seemed to be the case. I certainly didn’t see any evidence to that effect. There was talk about it. Yes.
    Question: OK, I guess I just don’t know where you got that. Someone had told you that?
    Lovekin: Someone told me that – yes.
    Question: You were there one time?
    Lovekin: I was there probably a dozen times.
    Question: With Signals Intelligence you are dealing with the President’s communications and stuff like that?
    Lovekin: That is right.
    Question: The person that I was looking at was the guy who ran Mount Weather. This would be 1965. Did you have any contact with this person named Bourassa?
    Lovekin: No, I was there in 1960 and 1961.
    Question: And who was the military advisor that you were under Eisenhower?
    Lovekin: Ah…gees…Colonel…I’m trying to recall his name. I can’t think of his name sorry. He was a Colonel.
    Question: He was a general military advisor, or he was with one of the services?
    Lovekin: He was the military advisor to the President. Colonel Schulz.
    Question: Some of them had an Air Force advisor, and an Army advisor.
    Lovekin: That’s right.
    Question: Do you remember the guy that was under Kennedy? Did Kennedy know what was going on?
    Lovekin: He knew what was going on.
    Question: So Kennedy knew.
    Lovekin: Yes.
    Question: Even though he was a Democrat?
    Lovekin: Yes.
    Question: And Eisenhower. You never heard Eisenhower. You just heard people talking about Eisenhower knowing about this? You were never there when Eisenhower was talking about it?
    Lovekin: Yes I was.
    Question: Oh you were. I didn’t know that part of the story.
    Lovekin: Yes.
    Question: When was this? At Mount Weather or…
    Lovekin: No, this was at Camp David.
    Question: And that was one occasion?
    Lovekin: Probably a couple occasions.
    Question: Can you tell me what the situation was? Was someone talking to him about sightings, or how did this subject come up?
    Lovekin: Well he was waiting for a phone call on one occasion, and he started doodling. That was one of his favorites.
    Question: I have seen some of his doodlings.
    Lovekin: (Laughs) Anyway, he was doodling UFOs. Anyway, somehow or other he got to taking about UFOs in 1952 shortly before he took office.
    Question: What was that?
    Lovekin: Those were the sightings in Washington DC.
    Question: I see, yes, over the capitol.
    Lovekin: Yes. But he was talking about some other things as well. He just kind of rambled on. There wasn’t too much that was specific, but he did discuss it. It was a very very important concern of his. I think one of the things that he was concerned about was, we were going through a serious recession back then, and the government had to let go of a lot of its control to the military industrial complex. He was much concerned about that. It just wasn’t something that the government could tackle at that moment. Didn’t want to tackle I guess would be a better way of putting it. But yes, he was very much into it. He believed in them. He realized the concern. He realized the concern for the American people, and I think that he honestly wanted to do something that was positive, but somehow or other his hands were tied. I am not sure why, but I have an idea.
    We would sit around with him when we were at Camp David, and he knew who each and every one of us by name. That was the great thing about being under him. I was just a sergeant at the time. I was still privy to some stuff that some people wouldn’t be privy to.
    Question: I’m not sure about what Signal Intelligence deals with…I know communication, but Mount Weather had direct communication links to the White House. What would you be doing for Signal Intelligence?
    Lovekin: Well there were a number of places that the President would go in case of attack. Camp David was one, Fort Ritchie was another, there was a special area set aside for him and congressional leaders at Fort Ritchie, and then there was another one right by Fort Ritchie, which was known as concrete. That was the code name. Then there was another one in West Virginia at Martinsburg. Let’s see. Then we know about the one in West Virginia at the Grand Hotel.
    Question: What was your particular job as a Sergeant.
    Lovekin: Well our job was to maintain the integrity of all the lines, to make sure they weren’t tapped – to make sure that whatever he said was either recorded or not recorded correctly.
    Question: And how many people would be in a group working around him to perform this job.
    Lovekin: Probably was many as 4 or 5. Sometimes there would be more, but that was generally the case. He felt comfortable with small groups and he was a great guy. He was terrific. I would have done anything for that man. He treated everyone with the utmost respect, and I think he was basically a man of integrity. He was a man who was very honest, which is a rare commodity. He would discuss his beliefs yes.
    Question: Why do you think that there is a cover-up – why the President doesn’t speak out about it? Like a lot of them say that their hands are tied. What’s your gut feeling?
    Lovekin: Well because so much of the authority was given away to private firms.
    Question: Do you think that this was going on already in the Eisenhower administration?
    Lovekin: Yes I do. When he said the main thing we have to fear is the military industrial complex, he wasn’t kidding, and he had the subject matter we are talking about in mind. He was quite explicit about that.

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